[News] Stan Bowman resigns after 2010 sexual abuse investigation

[GioforPM]

Yes, to me the issue isn't necessarily how Toews, out of everyone at the time, reacted. He was a top player and a captain but still young. But FFS, own it now. I'd have a lot more respect for "Well, we did know and we didn't step up and I'm ashamed of that. We were caught up in our cup run and afterwards just shoved it aside. It wasn't right, but that's what happened."

Everyone tries to minimize and/or deflect. Just own it.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I dont think anything will happen to JQ or Chevy unless the organizations they work for now decide to do something.

That's what I think too unfortunately... the NHL itself has shown time and again that it is completely tone-deaf and won't do the right thing.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I dont think anything will happen to JQ or Chevy unless the organizations they work for now decide to do something.

They will, this is in the court of public opinion now something they both never thought they would have to face. Soon they will both be “distractions” to the clubs that employe them.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453549640889024514

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes, to me the issue isn't necessarily how Toews, out of everyone at the time, reacted. He was a top player and a captain but still young. But FFS, own it now. I'd have a lot more respect for "Well, we did know and we didn't step up and I'm ashamed of that. We were caught up in our cup run and afterwards just shoved it aside. It wasn't right, but that's what happened."

Everyone tries to minimize and/or deflect. Just own it.

As I said in the other thread, I also think they are getting off unfairly easy by focusing on the Aldrich situation.

Not one of them have owned up or taken any responsibility for how Beach was treated once they did know. For the players, that’s the most disgusting thing. You know a guy was sexually assaulted and you throw homophobic slurs at him? or you hear others doing it and say nothing? Absolutely disgusting. It makes me hate hockey. Why would I trust ANY hockey player as being any better? Why should I believe that any of them are above this?

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Coach

@Pepsi I agree. I don’t want what I noted to be taken as a defence of Toews, but as a point of blame at the people who should have stopped it before it even made it to the players.

I find the way the people involved are acting now, in the face of the real truth, to be overall repugnant.

Okay it is fine to originally defend Toews not standing up when it originally happened. But him not standing up in training camp the next fall when his teammates (and more than likely himself) were using homophobic comments to the young man. Does the captain need someone older to step up and say stop it, that what they are doing is wrong, or maybe a person with any morals and a supposed leader needs to do it.

There is no defending Toews in this, and his comments last night are straight up bull####.

[Yoho]

How does Bettman talk his way out of the NHL refusing to investigate it?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Okay it is fine to originally defend Toews not standing up when it originally happened. But him not standing up in training camp the next fall when his teammates (and more than likely himself) were using homophobic comments to the young man. Does the captain need someone older to step up and say stop it, that what they are doing is wrong, or maybe a person with any morals and a supposed leader needs to do it.

There is no defending Toews in this, and his comments last night are straight up bull####.

I agree. The way the players responded is totally on him. I only saw the snips of Toews statement last night. Just saw in full now.

Should be stripped of the C at the very least.

[Fan in Exile]

As much as the players' reactions and taunts disgusts me and undoubtedly caused Beech more harm, I don't think you can impute knowledge of the full circumstances of what happened to the players. They deserve criticism and their denials don't reflect well on them but they don't have anywhere near the same culpability of the management group which clearly involved Coach Q as well as Donald Fehr. They've all disqualified themselves from working in a position of power over other people.

[442scotty]

Everyone has blood on their hands and turned a blind eye. The team/players could have easily put and end to this but turned a blind eye. Just a handful of players who actually gave a s&$” could have stopped this in its tracks. There are no legitimate excuses here. Domino’s need to keep falling.

[Stanley]

...over a ####ing video coach...

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Yoho

How does Bettman talk his way out of the NHL refusing to investigate it?

He wont have to unless mainstream media forces him to.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Seems like this is all part of "hockey culture", which is in big trouble now.

Although we said that before. Things should have changed significantly for the better following Graham James but they did not it seems.

And if Coach Q had the power to fire the guy on his own, and didn't, that might be the end of Coach Q.

The problem with things like Graham James is that when a monster like that is brought out of the shadows, it's easy for everyone to pretend that THAT was the sole problem and that now that THAT is solved, the issue is over. People focus on the scumbag, everyone else acts like it's some rare anomaly, and the other abusers just quietly go about their business and wait for everyone to become complacent again.

[GioforPM]

I now have heard a recording of Toews. He was actually doing OK until he started talking about Bowman and the rest, and defended them.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Stanley

...over a ####ing video coach...

They sewered an 11th overall pick. It is mind numbing lazy ignorance.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I now have heard a recording of Toews. He was actually doing OK until he started talking about Bowman and the rest, and defended them.

To be completely fair, he was referring to his experience with Bowman. And there's nothing wrong with that. At first I was angry at him for denying, because it's hard to imagine him, Kane, and others not knowing at all, but perhaps there's legal reason they want to deny. Beside that, at the time it wasn't their responsibility as players to do anything - that was on upper management. You just hope they weren't part of the kicking him while he was down. This shouldn't be a witch hunt. Management is almost solely responsible in this matter, and if I'm thinking critically, Toews probably knew, as did the others, but they have their own reasons at this point for denying, and it's probably at the advice of legal counsel.

[Underdog]

Didn't Chevy leave the Hawks for the Jets just weeks later? He was an Assistant GM, in the meeting in question with several of his superiors where he was the low man on the totem pole. And he soon left the organization all together. Not sure what is expected he would/could do in that situation.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by fleury

To be completely fair, he was referring to his experience with Bowman. And there's nothing wrong with that. At first I was angry at him for denying, because it's hard to imagine him, Kane, and others not knowing at all, but perhaps there's legal reason they want to deny. Beside that, at the time it wasn't their responsibility as players to do anything - that was on upper management. You just hope they weren't part of the kicking him while he was down. This shouldn't be a witch hunt. Management is almost solely responsible in this matter, and if I'm thinking critically, Toews probably knew, as did the others, but they have their own reasons at this point for denying, and it's probably at the advice of legal counsel.

He came across mad that they’d been terminated. Just wrong.

[bluejays]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bowman officially wasn't terminated (I believe he resigned). Unofficially, that's another story. It happened under his watch where he was responsible, so I have little problem with it either way (if he truly knew or not, it was under his watch).


With respect to Toews, he could have feelings for Bowman and Beach. It doesn't have to be one or another. If Bowman was good to him, I think it's important to state that. It shouldn't always be about being one sided. If he said Bowman was right and Beach was wrong, that'd be disrespectful given the facts we now know. But again, there's no reason to be upset. Bowman clearly meant something to him and he wasn't abandoning someone he likes.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453850502303653895

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by fleury

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bowman officially wasn't terminated (I believe he resigned). Unofficially, that's another story. It happened under his watch where he was responsible, so I have little problem with it either way (if he truly knew or not, it was under his watch).


With respect to Toews, he could have feelings for Bowman and Beach. It doesn't have to be one or another. If Bowman was good to him, I think it's important to state that. It shouldn't always be about being one sided. If he said Bowman was right and Beach was wrong, that'd be disrespectful given the facts we now know. But again, there's no reason to be upset. Bowman clearly meant something to him and he wasn't abandoning someone he likes.

Being forced to resign is terminated in hockey. He didn’t just say Bowman was good to him. He said it was unfair that they were “deleted” for “something that happened years ago”.

I’m pretty sure you haven’t listened to what he said.