[PGT] We gotta fire the coach, oh wait and Tre better make some calls. Flames lose 5-3

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The Flames are a couple games away from being a bottom five team in the NHL this year. That is ugly.

the funny part is a lot of posters who jeered at Edmonton fans cheering for losses to tank for a better pick, are now cheering for Calgary to do the exact same thing.

I think it's reasonable. If your team is really sucking, the might as well finish the job and get the best pick possible.

[CaptainCrunch]

Nope will still never cheer for my team tanking. This year could be an exception because people really aren't spending money on the Flames. But I always feel that the Flames are obligated to provide full value for their dollar.


Watching a terrible team, with no hope year after year and gutting their roster for that elusive number one pick, is fine, but don't expect the fans to pay full value for that experience.

[Inferno]

I won't ever cheer for tanking either. Play for pride. It's just got to the point now where I longer get upset when they lose.

[Flamenspiel]

Nm

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

the funny part is a lot of posters who jeered at Edmonton fans cheering for losses to tank for a better pick, are now cheering for Calgary to do the exact same thing...

Edmonton fans are jeered when they cheer for losses because they have been historically bad and historically lucky for over a decade. The entire fanbase is entitled and obtuse, and deserves any aspersions that are cast their way.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by New Era

Yeah, this is total bull####. And when I say total bull####, I mean so tightly packed that it's reached the density of lead. This team has NEVER had a coach who coached to the player's strengths. Peters let them play a more up tempo middle of the ice game for 3/4 of a season and they excelled in every way, finishing second overall. But just like the morons before him, and the morons that followed, he tried to get them to play "a more playoff brand of hockey" which is dump and chase and control the boards. That is not suited to this team. This team excels when you let them use the open ice and play in the scoring areas.

When you force this team to play along the boards you nullify the strengths of most of the players. When you drive play from the boards you force Gaudreau to blow snow just inside the blueline on every rush, you eliminate Monahan's strength of finding the soft spot in the high danger areas, you eliminate Tkachuk's net presence, and on and on and on. When the players are trying to generate offense from the wall - the lowest or low scoring areas - the results are quite predictable. Teams are so disciplined now that they won't chase the puck around the low danger areas. They will collapse down, clog the lanes, and wait for you to lose the puck, make a poor pass, or fire a low quality shot on goal, then transition and beat the Flames on the rush. Penetrating the middle of the ice is the only sure way to achieve success, but our mental midgets behind the bench don't seem to understand the way the league has gone. Watch the best teams play. They own the center of the ice. The Flames? They are concerned about owning the boards. It's ####ing pathetic and obvious why they are losing so often.

Not sure that's gonna work in its entirety...most board battles provide the puck to the centre of the ice, so if you're not playing on the boards, the only offensive weapon you have is scoring off the rush...how's that gonna work against a team that just clogs up the centre of the ice?

Team has to be able to play in multiple styles and with multiple vectors to the net. This one doesn't. Johnny loses more battles because as soon as an opposing player comes close, he turtles and shies away...and often just loses the puck. That's just not going to work in the NHL. He's great at puck retrieval, but he's got to learn to get dirty, too. Mangi works because he DOES get dirty and has somewhat similar (though lesser) skills to Johnny.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Not sure that's gonna work in its entirety...most board battles provide the puck to the centre of the ice, so if you're not playing on the boards, the only offensive weapon you have is scoring off the rush...how's that gonna work against a team that just clogs up the centre of the ice?

Team has to be able to play in multiple styles and with multiple vectors to the net. This one doesn't. Johnny loses more battles because as soon as an opposing player comes close, he turtles and shies away...and often just loses the puck. That's just not going to work in the NHL. He's great at puck retrieval, but he's got to learn to get dirty, too. Mangi works because he DOES get dirty and has somewhat similar (though lesser) skills to Johnny.

Every team has different rushes based on game situation of course.

It’s the ones that start to happen repeatedly and obviously don’t work that seem to be indicators of the coaches’ guidance

When Calgary was rushing, they were getting pucks up the boards, flooding strong side and the weak side support wasn’t there.

Watching Toronto, when they are to a side, you often have weak side D busting his ass to join the rush

Then you sometimes have a center just going straight up the middle with both wingers spread out, going in straight lines. They use the whole ice and structure is good with players without the puck

Flames are clearly being told a couple of relatively simple things by Sutter. If there is nothing essentially risk free as you enter the zone, dump it in. When in the o zone, get it to the point and get in front of the net.

This is why I have seen Tkachuk on a 2 in 2 with Lindholm dump the puck in the corner. Also why I have seen him get the puck in front and rather than even look to go from the slot towards the net, look for and find a D man

Flames right now are the reverse of the Hartley team. A lot of people complained about Hartley’s system being unsustainable because the analytics indicated so. That is wrong. They deliberately gave up the outside in the zone, were quick on transition, scored on the rush and D always had the green light, as long as they busted their ass to get back.

It was funny to watch Brodie do just that against the Flames, then see the Flames turn up ice, and Brodie got back to position and it actually looked like he cruised back while the Flames bungled their way up the ice

This team is taking the outside and able to generate ok shot totals but are not dangerous.

I see it similarly to NewEra. The team had a drafting philosophy for a few years towards speed and hockey IQ, and they want to play uptempo fire wagon hockey

Coaches at some point decide that’s not how you win, so they try to bring in the grinding ‘playoff hockey’ elements, and then everyone watches other teams kick their asses

Gotta play the style for which you are built