2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Well by gum I hope you all are right but if you're expecting guys like Couturier and Hischier to come back in a deal for Johnny I think you'll be disappointed. It's going to look a lot like the Hamilton trade did, IMO. Bjorkstrand and Lindholm are similar cats... that's all I was basing it off.

Bjorkstrand had 21 goals in 49 games this year... if he hadn't hurt his ankle he probably smashes past the 30-goal plateau. That's first-line winger material, not a third-line winger.

No you're not getting couturier and hischier, but it better be for prospects that will be as good as those guys a little down the road.

Gaudreau is a win now acquisition so of course the team isnt going to gut their present roster to bring him in, makes no sense.

But you'd best be getting top 10 pick caliber player/s coming back to offset how it is likely to hurt the flames short term.

It really is that simple. The pieces you've mentioned don't fall into that category which is why I think it's no go from the Flames' end. Even if you think bjorkstrand is better than a middle sixer, he isn't on Gaudreau's tier. What he was projecting to put up is a game thats easy to play, and can be said for many players that go half a season on a tear but until the player puts up 30+ goals they havent put up 30+ goals.

Maybe he's a lindholm. But we have a lindholm and gaudreau has a different skillset that we'll need to replace to some degree but much preferably at the center position because we're learning that thats the more important position when it comes to assembling a winning team.

[dissentowner]

I am very curious to see what happens with Barzal on the Island. He doesn't seem happy there and might push his way out. The issue is the Islanders are going to want a C back imo. So that kind of kills the idea of offering Gaudreau+ to pry him out of there.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am very curious to see what happens with Barzal on the Island. He doesn't seem happy there and might push his way out. The issue is the Islanders are going to want a C back imo. So that kind of kills the idea of offering Gaudreau+ to pry him out of there.

Barzal has the same leverage that Tkachuk had coming off of an ELC. He has some sway because of the quality of player that he is, but Lou holds most of the cards. Barzal can holdout, and get a Johnny situation where he hits UFA sooner, but likely he does what Tkachuk did and take a high money bridge.

[Roof-Daddy]

Should do up a big offer sheet for Pulock and after they match then do an even bigger one for Barzal and hope they just have to walk away from it.

Hall - Barzal - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Monahan -

Dayumm!

Deal Gaudreau to recoup some high end futures to make up for the four 1sts you'd lose for Barzal.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am very curious to see what happens with Barzal on the Island. He doesn't seem happy there and might push his way out. The issue is the Islanders are going to want a C back imo. So that kind of kills the idea of offering Gaudreau+ to pry him out of there.

That’s a scenario where it could be a monster deal for Monahan and Gaudreau with the Islanders adding to balance things out. I have suggested Eberle but I feel there should be another small add from the Islanders side.

[djsFlames]

If Barzal isn't happy in NYI then you offer sheet him now.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If Barzal isn't happy in NYI then you offer sheet him now.

If he isn’t happy, that’s your Gaudreau trade.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

If he isn’t happy, that’s your Gaudreau trade.

Would prefer that over four 1sts potentially.

[Harry Lime]

Calgary's Last four First Round Draft Picks
Jacob Pelletier
Noah Dobson
Juuso Valimaki
Matthew Tkachuk

[Roof-Daddy]

Offer sheet Pulock, Isles match and are over the cap
Offer sheet Barzal 5 x $10.5 million (2021 1st, 2022 1st, 2021 2nd, 2021 3rd)

Trade Gaudreau, Bennett to Philadelphia for Frost, Farabee, 2021 1st
Trade Ryan for 2021 draft pick(s)
Trade Jankowski, Kylington to Buffalo for Montour (maybe more needed?)
Pray for a Compliance Buy Out to use on Lucic

Extend Montour 6 x $4.55 million (Andersson contract)
Sign Leivo 1 x $1.5 million
Sign DeMelo 2 x $2.0 million
Sign Brossoit 1 x $1.0 million



Tkachuk - Barzal - Lindholm
T. Hall - Monahan - Mangiapane
D. Dube - Backlund - Leivo
Farabee - Frost - Phillips

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Montour
Valimaki - DeMelo

Rittich
Brossoit

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Would prefer that over four 1sts potentially.

No question about it. So would NYI probably. Better than magic beans. But giving up that many magic beans is terrifying.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Offer sheet Pulock, Isles match and are over the cap
Offer sheet Barzal 5 x $10.5 million (2021 1st, 2022 1st, 2021 2nd, 2021 3rd)

Trade Gaudreau, Bennett to Philadelphia for Frost, Farabee, 2021 1st
Trade Ryan for 2021 draft pick(s)
Trade Jankowski, Kylington to Buffalo for Montour (maybe more needed?)
Pray for a Compliance Buy Out to use on Lucic

Extend Montour 6 x $4.55 million (Andersson contract)
Sign Leivo 1 x $1.5 million
Sign DeMelo 2 x $2.0 million
Sign Brossoit 1 x $1.0 million



Tkachuk - Barzal - Lindholm
T. Hall - Monahan - Mangiapane
D. Dube - Backlund - Leivo
Farabee - Frost - Phillips

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Montour
Valimaki - DeMelo

Rittich
Brossoit

What are you signing Hall for?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by AC

What are you signing Hall for?

I'm hoping a 7 x $8 million based on a preferred destination ala Duchene last year.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm hoping a 7 x $8 million based on a preferred destination ala Duchene last year.

I'm thinking its 60 mil over 7 years. So it still comes in under 9 per.

[1Nite]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If Barzal isn't happy in NYI then you offer sheet him now.

There was a story I read, think it was mostly Isle fans talking, but they were wanting to trade for Gaudreau, will try find it when I get home.

[Monahammer]

Monahan+gaudreau+2020 1st for barzal+eberle+dobson

Sign hall.

Hall-barzal-eberle
Tkachuk-lindholm-mangiapane
Bennett-backlund-dube
Lucic-ryan-gawdin

Gio-andersson
Hanifin-dobson
Valimaki-yelesin

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Monahan+gaudreau+2020 1st for barzal+eberle+dobson

Sign hall.

Hall-barzal-eberle
Tkachuk-lindholm-mangiapane
Bennett-backlund-dube
Lucic-ryan-gawdin

Gio-andersson
Hanifin-dobson
Valimaki-yelesin

If we could change that 2020 1st to Kylington and a 2nd it would be even better

[Scroopy Noopers]

I see Monahan in a deal and I’m out.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What about 4? Sign Hall, keep Gaudreau for an extra year, and make a run at a Cup? Then deal Gaudreau in his final year. If the Flames don't get offered fair value for Johnny this off season that might be a better plan.

Well, there’s an about face if I’ve ever seen one.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I see Monahan in a deal and I’m out.

Usually I'm with you, but if the resulting trade contains Eichel, Barzal or Barkov im in. Otherwise it's not happening.