[Trade] Mark Stone (8yrs, $9.5mil AAV) to Vegas for Erik Brannstrom, Lindberg, 2020 2nd

[DiracSpike]

A lot of the time the best deal is the one you don't make. Well done BT. Our young top level prospects will be indispensable while we compete through the window. Lets save the all-in-blow-your-brains-out trade for the end of the window ala Columbus this year. For now let's see what we have and continue being patient.

[Gaudfather]

With no Stone in the mix the message to guys like Tkachuk and Bennett is "we need you guys to continue to advance to new levels" and that means in this playoff run.

[868904]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Think the contract is part of it for sure, and think Ottawa wanted to make sure they got a top prospect out of these deals and from all accounts Brannstrom is that guy.

Think they probably should have really pushed that the 2nd was a 1st rounder still though.

Overall I think the trade makes sense for Vegas - they can absorb that cap hit and it doesn't really mess with their team cap structure. But likely makes less sense for the Flames with the acquisition cost + contract extension cost in mind.

Yeah Tre tied his hands with the Neal signing in the Summer. Don't know if I blame him though. Neal was about as consistent a 20 goal scorer as you can find. Who knew he would go this cold.

In the Summer, Tre probably also thought there was no way the Senators would not have Stone signed by the deadline and that he would be available.

Hindsight is easy, you don't sign Neal in the Summer, Lindholm does what he does, Flames have cap space for Mark Stone, extend him.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by 868904

Yeah Tre tied his hands with the Neal signing in the Summer. Don't know if I blame him though. Neal was about as consistent a 20 goal scorer as you can find. Who knew he would go this cold.

In the Summer, Tre probably also thought there was no way the Senators would not have Stone signed by the deadline and that he would be available.

Hindsight is easy, you don't sign Neal in the Summer, Lindholm does what he does, Flames have cap space for Mark Stone, extend him.

And who knows - Playoff Neal might just show up in time for...umm...the playoffs!!

[sureLoss]

Stephen Whyno @SWhyno
George McPhee's asset management, man. Taking on Mikhail Grabovski got him pick he used to get Brannstrom and he got 2nd-round pick for Marc Methot. Flipped them and Oscar Lindberg for 8 1/2 years of Mark Stone.

[MisterJoji]

I bet Tre gets Tkachuk for less. RFA vs. UFA helps a lot.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by JohnnyT

Also 9.5 in a state with no income tax, likely would have been at least a little bit more in Calgary

Stone will pocket $1,046,160 a year more in Nevada than he would have in Alberta. as salaries go up the league needs to do something to equal the playing field, four teams have a huge advantage

[hwy19man]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Ok now we really need to stay away from 2nd in the Pacific...Stone makes them a scary playoff team.

You should hope that the Knights do not fall to seventh or eighth place (fourth in the division) and play the Flames.

[Yoho]

I like Vegas had to use assets to get Stone at UFA prices.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I like Vegas had to use assets to get Stone at UFA prices.

Except it barely effects them at all. Vegas is bleeding assets.

People acting like the Knights acquiring and signing Stone is somehow bad and that Tre "drove up the price" are total fools.

[TheScorpion]

Phagoof, have you ever considered wording your posts in a less abrasive way? You're entitled to your opinion but you just seem so angry.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

Except it barely effects them at all. Vegas is bleeding assets.

People acting like the Knights acquiring and signing Stone is somehow bad and that Tre "drove up the price" are total fools.

You must be fun at a party.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Phagoof, have you ever considered wording your posts in a less abrasive way? You're entitled to your opinion but you just seem so angry.

I have, but it just quirks me how some Flames fans act like Tre is always playing 4D chess and "schooling" other GM's.

The fact is over the past week every playoff team in the West has gotten a bit or significantly deeper. We decided in a Norris campaign with our 35 year old #1 D-Man to not acquire the top 6 fwrd we need. I'm not saying it had to be Stone. I would of been happy with Simmonds, Hayes, Zucc, Grandlund, Zucker, Kreider etc etc. Some which were available for reasonable prices.

This will come back to bite us in the playoffs.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Ok now we really need to stay away from 2nd in the Pacific...Stone makes them a scary playoff team.


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I would rather face Vegas with Stone than 60-100 minute long wars of attrition against Erik Karlsson, Brent Burns, Marc Eduard Vlasic, and friends. We match up way better to the Knights' blue line who aren't able to throw out elite D againts all four of our lines.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

Except it barely effects them at all. Vegas is bleeding assets.

People acting like the Knights acquiring and signing Stone is somehow bad and that Tre "drove up the price" are total fools.

But after the Stone deal, the Knights are no longer bleeding in one very valuable asset. Cap Space...

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

I'm glad we passed now if that was the nut. 8 X 9.5? GTFO.

I would easily pay 9.5 for Stone. Yes, I think he's that good.

But there's no way we fit that under the cap, so it doesn't really matter. That's why it alway seemed very unlikely that Stone ends up here.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

I have, but it just quirks me how some Flames fans act like Tre is always playing 4D chess and "schooling" other GM's.

Lol I mean you do know that other GMs are smart and other teams have different cap projections. I’m not going to get into it because it’s been discussed ad nauseam but there are big reasons to why mortgaging our future after a little more of half a season of being good would be foolish and Brad isn’t a fool. We’ve given up many high picks over the last few years that have continued to pay off with goaltending being the only really question mark, but even then the flames have been able to get to the top of the conference. These moves under brad have always done in the offseason, that’s how he’s always operated and it’s paying off. You need to have hindsight man and not be reactive, it won’t make you many friends on this forum. To be angry at Treliving about standing pat during our best season in ages is no bueno


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[oldschoolcalgary]

Vegas could afford to give up their best prospect because of the depth of their system.

calgary didn't have that luxury, or simply, BT refused to add our only blue chip prospect to the trade equation.

Kylington OR Dube + 2x1 + B prospect would have been my threshold, so i am glad BT stuck to his guns.

I don't think BT was playing "4D" chess; they had an internal ceiling and stuck to it. Simple as that.

if rumors are to be believed, Calgary did try hard for Stone, Zucker and Simmonds, but could not get those deals done... not because of a lack of effort however.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by 868904

Yeah Tre tied his hands with the Neal signing in the Summer. Don't know if I blame him though. Neal was about as consistent a 20 goal scorer as you can find. Who knew he would go this cold.

In the Summer, Tre probably also thought there was no way the Senators would not have Stone signed by the deadline and that he would be available.

Hindsight is easy, you don't sign Neal in the Summer, Lindholm does what he does, Flames have cap space for Mark Stone, extend him.

I remember prior to the Neal signing I thought the Flames needed another top 6 forward so when they landed Neal I was very pumped. If the Flames didn’t land Neal they may have signed Maroon to a cheaper shorter term deal. They may of had the flexibility to do something with Stone but in the summer the Neal move made so much more sense.

[EldrickOnIce]

Stone was the only really significant upgrade available up front. I don't believe any of the rest to be any/significantly better than current roster.
Stone could not have been signed, without destroying the pay structure.
Valimaki plus Frolik plus 2nd for a rental? I'm happy Tre stepped away