[Rumour] TSN: Flames will inquire about re-acquiring Ferland

[Travis Munroe]

Ferland has been hurt quite a bit of late. I like the guy and would love for him to go somewhere that sets him up for a Tom Wilson like next contract.

I am not giving away a first round pick for him ... a 2nd maybe or 4th and a prospect. If there is high demand, he can go elsewhere. There is no logic to re signing him post playoffs and mortgaging the future for a Ferland in the playoffs isn't worth it. I really think he only has a few good years left in him.

I would love to see a trade structured as a first if he plays X games otherwise its a 2nd and when he gets here, have him take some serious time off to get ready for the playoffs. The decline in stats happen to also line up with when discussion of him being hurt or missing time was.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

That would definitely be true. Stone would definitely have to go and then things would be tight $ wise, but should be doable.

Yeah, it's a balance but I don't think there is room to add a top-6 player on the team next year.

Cap Ceiling 2020: 83M
Salary already dedicated: 66M
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Space: 17M
-Tkachuk: 7.5M
-Rittich 2.0M
-Bennett 2.0M
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Space 5.5M (Roster size 19)
-Backup Goalie: 1M
-Dillon Dube: 0.775M
-Garnet Hathaway: 0.85M
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Space: ~3M roster size 22

The reality once all holes are plugged is the Flames are only working with about 3M in cap space for next year before they bring in anyone new. Obvious choices for cap relief are Stone (3.5M), Ryan(3.1M), Frolik(4.3M), and Neal (5.75M) in no particular order.

If Tre can't move one of their big salaries, they are going to have to count on another big year of internal growth for the organization press ahead.

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

The Flames’ window is open *now*.

This is not a drill. The stars are aligning, and the Flames will likely hit the post-season as top seed in the division, possibly the entire conference.

Gio is playing on borrowed time. The chances of him ever being this good again are extremely small. Tkachuk is on his ELC, and he’s going to do an extra $6-7m worth of damage to the roster next year.

The coach and the team are clicking. The roster is healthy. The starting goalie is in the groove.

It’s entirely realistic that RIGHT NOW is the best chance this core will ever have to win the cup.

I would absolutely pay a 1st and a prospect for a top-tier rental right now. The Flames need size, physicality, and secondary scoring (particularly for the 2PP unit). Ferland might be the best player on the market to fill those needs.

I think it’s time to go all-in.

Best post in the thread.

People saying just go after hIm in free agency is crazy talk, we don't need him next year. We need him right now for this playoff run.

People saying paying a 1st round pick that will be in the high 20s is "way too much to pay" is nothing to pay for a rental like Ferland when your window is open wider then it will probably ever be again. For most teams, a team this good happens once in a generation. There are present NHL teams (Wild, Blue Jackets, Panthers, Coyotes/Jets) that have NEVER had a team this good in its history. There are other teams that haven't had a team this good in 20 years r longer.

If all it took was a 1st rounder you pay it

[Flamenspiel]

Na, i had my doubts about Ferland with regards to his health and consistency but Burke's comments pretty well confirm that this is a weakness and answers why he was traded.

Where would he even play? Instead i'd like to see Chris Kreider as a pickup, he drives an entire line and can turn a series on one play. He should also fit in under the cap for one more year. To me he is the best bottom 6 player available on TSN trade tracker.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

Best post in the thread.

People saying just go after hIm in free agency is crazy talk, we don't need him next year. We need him right now for this playoff run.

People saying paying a 1st round pick that will be in the high 20s is "way too much to pay" is nothing to pay for a rental like Ferland when your window is open wider then it will probably ever be again. For most teams, a team this good happens once in a generation. There are present NHL teams (Wild, Blue Jackets, Panthers, Coyotes/Jets) that have NEVER had a team this good in its history. There are other teams that haven't had a team this good in 20 years r longer.

If all it took was a 1st rounder you pay it

I don't think the Flames "need" Ferland. And the place he would slot doesn't suggest the price is worth it.

FWIW, I think the Flames can be even better next year with a couple tweaks. So the window isn't wider than it will be.

[SeanCharles]

I love Ferland but I'd rather add a RH shot and Ferland has consistency and health issues that are worrisome when paying a premium to re-acquire him is also taken into consideration.

If we could get Stone for around the price SJ paid for Kane that would be a huge add.

SJ trades prospect Daniel O'Regan a conditional 1st and a conditional 4th to Buffalo for Kane.

Mangiapane, a 1st and a 4th is something I could live with trading away.

[Soliak]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I love Ferland but I'd rather add a RH shot and Ferland has consistency and health issues that are worrisome when paying a premium to re-acquire him is also taken into consideration.

If we could get Stone for around the price SJ paid for Kane that would be a huge add.

SJ trades prospect Daniel O'Regan a conditional 1st and a conditional 4th to Buffalo for Kane.

Mangiapane, a 1st and a 4th is something I could live with trading away.

Stone would be an amazing add and likely puts us right up there to take a shot at the cup but there is no chance we get him for that. It would cost in the region of 1st + Kylington + 3rd I would suspect. Any team looking to get Stone would be paying to acquire him with the mindset of him getting resigned IMO and I don't think it's possible to fit him in.

Having said that we do have the luxury of a solid group of cheap young D and players like Lindholm signed to amazing contracts. Our stars are signed on the cheap also. Treliving is a wizard. Such a good calculated risk getting Lindy locked up early.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The number one ask by teams selling to the Flames will be Juuso Valimaki.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The number one ask by teams selling to the Flames will be Juuso Valimaki.

I hope those teams will be willing to move their top young player in that case.

[FlamesAddiction]

I would throw Carolina a low offer now to see if they bite. With Ferland being an injury risk, maybe they would hedge their bets now rather than wait it out and maybe not be able to trade him.

The Canes aren't completely out of the playoff picture yet, so doubtful they would go for that without a roster player coming back though.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The number one ask by teams selling to the Flames will be Juuso Valimaki.

The number one finger Treliving will show them in response will be the middle.

[sureLoss]

Slight update from LeBrun. He still says the Canes are going to ask for a first for Ferland. Preferably a first plus a prospect. Canes will try to play the contenders off each other to drive up the price.

Simmonds will fetch a slightly better price LeBrun speculates because he has better pedigree.

https://theathletic.com/788734/2019/...rade-deadline/

The Pacific-Division leading Flames will look to add. They’ve afforded themselves that opportunity with a wonderful season to date.

“You always as a team and a coaching staff want to put yourself in a good position come trade deadline to be guys that are looking to acquire, add on, if you’re missing any pieces,’’ Flames head coach Bill Peters said on Saturday. “We really like the team that we have, so it’ll be interesting to see, there’s lots of hockey between now and the deadline. We’ll see what happens health-wise with our team. But definitely, it would be nice to add and complete what are perceived holes if we have any holes and become a better team.’’

I love the idea here of Ferland being reacquired by the Flames. Undoubtedly GM Brad Treliving will inquire at some point with Carolina but I also think he’s going to set a ceiling on what he’s willing to pay.

Based on that it looks like Treliving is likely just going to keep tabs on the situation and try to swoop in if the Canes push the other bidders away.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Slight update from LeBrun. He still says the Canes are going to ask for a first for Ferland. Preferably a first plus a prospect. Canes will try to play the contenders off each other to drive up the price.

Simmonds will fetch a slightly better price LeBrun speculates because he has better pedigree.

https://theathletic.com/788734/2019/...rade-deadline/



Based on that it looks like Treliving is likely just going to keep tabs on the situation and try to swoop in if the Canes push the other bidders away.

Pass.

Too rich for Ferly IMO and you can fetch a much better player for the price they are asking for him.

Most i'd give up for Ferland is a 3rd pick.

[alan21]

Agreed, that’s way too much. It would just feel like robbing the bank and then feeling bad about it after only to leave them with more money then they started with in the vault.

[EldrickOnIce]

I think Treliving and Co are very mindful of 'the room'. These guys look to be pretty much as tight a team as I have ever seen. So if they know Ferland fits, it makes sense that they are looking.
But yeah, as said already - not 1st rounder sense. If first pick goes, and I'm not dead set against that, it's gotta be in package for someone like Stone, not Ferland.

[Toonage]

nm

[The Yen Man]

Honestly, the only rental worth giving up a first for is Mark Stone. All other rentals (Ferland, Simmonds, etc) are not worth it, and i'd rather the Flames not make any of those trades.

The best rental for the Flames is James Neal finding his game in the second half and into the playoffs. And guess what? That costs nothing.

[dissentowner]

I see Pittsburgh as the team who ponies up the asking price for Ferland.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Honestly, the only rental worth giving up a first for is Mark Stone. All other rentals (Ferland, Simmonds, etc) are not worth it, and i'd rather the Flames not make any of those trades.

The best rental for the Flames is James Neal finding his game in the second half and into the playoffs. And guess what? That costs nothing.

If (and big if, but showing signs of life recently) that, plus getting Stone and Valimaki back, are huge deadline 'adds'.
I'd not be unhappy if they stood pat.

[Stud_McCool]

It's simply amazing how the Flames could turn a 5th round pick into a 1st round asset! That is all.