[Rumour] Lebrun: CGY & CAR talked about Lindholm trade that could involve Hamilton and Hanifin

[MacDaddy77]

Add to this that the Blue Jackets need a top pair Right D man. perhaps if they can't sign Panarin there could be something around Brodie + (Bennet?)

next years team could be

Gaudreau - Monahan- Foo
Thkachuk- Backlund- Lindholm
Dube/Mangiapane-Jankowski-Frolik
Hathaway-Shore-Lazar

Gio - Andersson
Hanafin - Hamonic
Kulak-Stone
???

Smith

Trade Ferland at his highest value and another year of Brouwer doesn't exist in my world so buyout or trade

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by wretched34

It's about a chain reaction.
It's near sited to say, if we trade a 50 point defenseman for a 70 point forward, we are better because we're +20 in points.
Who does that 70 point forward supplant in the forward group? If he pushes Ferland down to the 2nd line, does Ferland still put up 21 goals, or do we lose 5 goals and 10 points from his total? now you're at a +10 net change.
If Dougie isn't on the back end driving play out of his zone and providing offense, does that mean other teams are putting up more points against our top pairing?

Also remember, Dougie didn't get much top PP time for the majority of the year, if Peters doesn't have his head in the sand like Gulutzan, it's quite possible Dougie puts up 10-15 more points this season.

Trading Dougie now, for anything less than a massive overpayment, and I'm not even sure that's out there, unless it's McDavid, would be silly.
I trade Gio 10 times out of 10 before I trade Dougie, and I wouldn't trade Gio.

This post is exactly right. There should be no desire to trade dougie unless its a crazy overpayment.

I just hope Tre doesn't feel he has to trade dougie in order to make a big splash. None of our other players would get as much back as dougie but that doesn't mean we should move him.

I also think whether its this coming trade deadline or next offseason, you do need to start thinking about moving Gio while you can still probably get someone like a hanafin in return.

we all agree that Lidholm + Hanafin for Gio isn't something we would feel good about doing but from a pure asset management angle it would be the right thing to do and I doubt carolina would make that trade, but you'd have to entertain it I think

Teams need to be more like smart NFL teams. Its better to move on a year too early than a year too late.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Add to this that the Blue Jackets need a top pair Right D man. perhaps if they can't sign Panarin there could be something around Brodie + (Bennet?)

next years team could be

Gaudreau - Monahan- Foo
Thkachuk- Backlund- Lindholm
Dube/Mangiapane-Jankowski-Frolik
Hathaway-Shore-Lazar

Gio - Andersson
Hanafin - Hamonic
Kulak-Stone
???

Smith

Trade Ferland at his highest value and another year of Brouwer doesn't exist in my world so buyout or trade

Panarin doesn't make the team?

In any event, if he got traded, Brodie won't be the headliner.

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Panarin doesn't make the team?

In any event, if he got traded, Brodie won't be the headliner.

haha whoops! guess Foo would start in stockton again then

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by wretched34

It's about a chain reaction.
It's near sited to say, if we trade a 50 point defenseman for a 70 point forward, we are better because we're +20 in points.
Who does that 70 point forward supplant in the forward group? If he pushes Ferland down to the 2nd line, does Ferland still put up 21 goals, or do we lose 5 goals and 10 points from his total? now you're at a +10 net change.
If Dougie isn't on the back end driving play out of his zone and providing offense, does that mean other teams are putting up more points against our top pairing?

Also remember, Dougie didn't get much top PP time for the majority of the year, if Peters doesn't have his head in the sand like Gulutzan, it's quite possible Dougie puts up 10-15 more points this season.

Trading Dougie now, for anything less than a massive overpayment, and I'm not even sure that's out there, unless it's McDavid, would be silly.
I trade Gio 10 times out of 10 before I trade Dougie, and I wouldn't trade Gio.

Even if the net change would be zero, that's fine. We have to remember that if they actually contemplating trading Hamilton (like Dreger said has been the case for a while which seems a bit odd) there is a reason for that. Somethings off with him.

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Uhh Lindholm put up 44 points last season and has a career high of 45

I've specifically said I'm not very interested in Lindholm. That's why I'd rather trade Dougie one for one for a equally good player (or as close in quality as possible).

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The difference being that, if Hamilton moves, that would be both the Flames and the Bruins moving on from him (two franchises that aren’t a tire fire).

You’re comparing that to the Oilers, of all teams, moving Hall and him immediately finding success and a home on his second team.

Swing and a miss.

The bruins tried for 4 months to sign him, it was reported they even offered him more then Calgary extended him for. But yeah, Boston moved on from him by choice.

Before throwing out a swing and a miss ensure you know what your talking about.

[TheoFleury]

I wish Dougie had a full nmc

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

The bruins tried for 4 months to sign him, it was reported they even offered him more then Calgary extended him for. But yeah, Boston moved on from him by choice.

Before throwing out a swing and a miss ensure you know what your talking about.

This is correct.

The Bruins traded him because he didn't want to sign with them, and it was likely the Oilers were doing an offer sheet for him. The bruins needed to move quickly, and took the best offer on the table. Although it was rumoured the Oilers offered more, but the bruins refused to deal with them.

[Mattman]

I like Dougie as a player and a community character. I think that his age, skill, and contract are three very attractive components to his trade value. That being said, I would be upset to see him go.

However, if the return is Hanifin + Lindholm+, in my opinion that makes us a better hockey team in the long run.

Regardless of who you keep or trade for, once Giordano is gone (presumably) in the next 4 years, who do you have left anchoring our blueline?

Hamilton or Hanifin?

[pepper24]

Look forward to having the Flames roster become a mix of Coyotes and Canes players as Treliving and Peters used to be employed with them. Such successful franchise lately.

[MikeMc]

We should probably chill out with the Foo on the top line projections.

Guy might not even make the team.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Even if the net change would be zero, that's fine. We have to remember that if they actually contemplating trading Hamilton (like Dreger said has been the case for a while which seems a bit odd) there is a reason for that. Somethings off with him.

If management is trading Dougie Hamilton without drastically improving this team, because "Somethings off with him", it's not Dougie that's "Off".
From all accounts with teammates, he's loved in the dressing room. He's proven to be great in the community.
If a GM is trading a guy over work ethic in practice or off the ice, while he demonstrates year in and year out to be one of the best in his position, The GM is the one who has "Something Off with him".

[haiku]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Honestly how do you turn down year end interviews?!
One should get fired on the spot for that, geez.
If that's true what a ######bag move.

what a thing to leave
who cares really, some would
rather be fishing

Spoiler!

[Kolbe31]

Trade Dougie Hamilton and then spend the next several years trying to acquire someone like Dougie Hamilton.

[868904]

Don't understand the hate here for Brodie. The guy was near dominant in 2014-2015 when he played the majority of the season with Giordano; he still played well on the left side with Engelland too after Gio got hurt.

He has struggled since being moved to the left side and taken off a pair with Gio, but I think his struggles are a bit relative to how good he was in 2015.

The way I see it:

Brodie paired with Gio = Hamilton paired with Gio

Brodie paired with Stone > Hamilton paired with anyone other than GIo

Brodie paired with Hamonic = Hamilton paired with anyone other than GIo


I'm not saying Hamilton isn't good, but his only success here has been while paired with Gio. I'm also not saying Hamonic is not good, it could just be a case of him not meshing well with Brodie on the ice, it happens.

At his best, and in my opinion, Brodie is an elite defenseman and better than what Hamilton has shown at his very best. There is always still the potential for Hamilton to take another step up, but his best isn't as good as Brodie's best.

I don't just look at points, I look at how a defensemen plays at both ends and how they control the game. In 2014-2015, there were games where Brodie controlled the game at both ends of the ice.

I thought it very interesting at Peter's presser when he talked about Brodie having success playing the right side. Peters either had that fed to him by Treliving or someone in management OR it comes from his discussions and analysis as part of the Team Canada coaching staff for the 2016 World Cup . There was a lot of talk about Gio and Brodie being selected for that team, ultimately, they didn't and it sounds like it was because Babcock is a real stickler for the left-right thing but it may be a hint as to what potential Peters' might see for Brodie.

[dustygoon]

Ignoring the actual pieces, I like to hear that Tre is trying to do something with Carolina. Peters will know the players and Waddell as a GM is not great....I remember him as easily confused.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Royle9

That's the thing, NONE of us know what "Dougie does behind closed doors" but apparently the Flames see him as the one "core" piece they are willing to trade or at least listen to offers on more intently than the others.

[Demetric]

Chiarelli wants a RD D for 10th OV, I present you M. Stone, heck that is a better deal that what he paid for Reinhart.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Demetric

Chiarelli wants a RD D for 10th OV, I present you M. Stone, heck that is a better deal that what he paid for Reinhart.

Won't be able to collect EITHER brother set with that trade.... Lol

[sureLoss]

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