[News] Flames name Geoff Ward and Ryan Huska as assistant coaches

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Don't call me obtuse, take your insults elsewhere. I guarantee I watch more AHL games then you do, I would bet on it. Facts, lets deal in those. Stockton has done nothing since Huska has been coaching there. Fact. Jankowski, Andersson, and Kylington were all high end prospects that were already on their trajectory and not a product of Huska's coaching. Fact. Klimchuk, Shinkaruk, and Poirier have either regressed or made no progress under Huska. Fact. The biggest fact though is that there was very good experienced coaches available for both the head coaching job and the assistant coaches positions and BT went dumpster diving again instead of spending to give this roster a real shot at winning. Is Bill Peters an upgrade on GG? No, they are the same damn coach with exception that GG is more of a players coach whereas Bill can be harder. They are both Babcock disciples, they preach the same system. If anything GG gets a nod because he has actually at least made the playoffs. I don't know enough about Ward but he can't be worse then Cameron so there is that but he sure as hell is not as good as Paul MacLean. Maybe the owners don't want to spend the money and are fine with mediocrity behind the bench but I am freakin tired of it! I hope they prove me wrong but unless there is some big player changes coming I see a strong LV team that might win the Cup, a strong SJ team, a Ducks team that has a stacked D but are getting long in the tooth up front in a few places, an Oilers team that were terrible last year but hit a home run with their AC hires and despite how much I hate them they are going to be better, and a young Yotes team that is due to break out. Unless this team can add some depth in the bottom six and a legit top line RW this team is looking at dead last in the Pacific with this coaching squad. If they can add those pieces we can fight for a wild card. This was the perfect opportunity for BT to fix his screw up the first time and instead he just shuffled the chairs...

Paragraphs are your friend. Anyway, have a look at Klimchuks stats again. He got markedly better under Huska between year one and two. Have a look at Wotherspoon, since you claim the other D were established already. Wotherspoon may not be NHL calibre but he sure got better under Huska. And Kylington, for a practically finished product according to you, improved by almost 10 points. Rasmus improved by a mere 17 points and got called up.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol Oilers hit a "home run" with their coaching hires

Dude take the rest of the night off you are acting like a clown

Sure, we will see when the puck drops next season. GG and Ward, not sure although GG has been a head coach but Yawney is light years better than Huska and it really is not debatable.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Fact. A lot of those things aren’t facts.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Paragraphs are your friend. Anyway, have a look at Klimchuks stats again. He got markedly better under Huska between year one and two. Have a look at Wotherspoon, since you claim the other D were established already. Wotherspoon may not be NHL calibre but he sure got better under Huska. And Kylington, for a practically finished product according to you, improved by almost 10 points. Rasmus improved by a mere 17 points and got called up.

Those guys would have done that under Mikey Mouse, they were already trending that way except Klimchuk who didn't improve, he was just less injured.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Fact. A lot of those things aren’t facts.

Fact. Your opinion.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Those guys would have done that under Mikey Mouse, they were already trending that way except Klimchuk who didn't improve, he was just less injured.

So injured he played about the same amount of games?

ETA: 10 less games in his first year. 33 more points in his second.

[Nelson]

Another positive opinion about Ward and also some reasons to be excited about Huska: https://flamesnation.ca/2018/05/30/f...rd-ryan-huska/

[dissentowner]

It's cool though, I get that the majority of you are happy with mediocrity, that is what this fan base has had for years. Whatever, I will bow out of the discussion, we shall see

[Freeway]

Like the Ward pick-up given the changes he made to the New Jersey PP. Huska's been transitioning guys into the NHL successfully for four years - which was his primary job - and it's nice to see him rewarded with a bigger challenge.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Speaking of hijacking threads, here comes the king.... Are you still sore that you were proven wrong about Brodie? Get over it man.

Yea, that whole thing where you used nothing but hyperbole and exaggerations and then left the discussion with your tail between your legs when that was pointed out - that was a real dagger.

You are obtuse with the level of dislike you have for these guys. It wouldn't be so bad if you didn't just lose it every time they're mentioned and threads turn into scores of people pointing out why it's completely irrational.

[the_only_turek_fan]

@FriedgeHNIC: A bit of late-night coaching news: there is word Rick Bowness will not be returning to the TB bench. Bowness was a finalist for the ANA job in...

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Jankowski, Andersson, and Kylington were all high end prospects that were already on their trajectory and not a product of Huska's coaching. Fact. Klimchuk, Shinkaruk, and Poirier have either regressed or made no progress under Huska. Fact.

Not to nitpick, but when a player succeeds it was because of their trajectory, but when they fail to hit the NHL they were ruined by AHL coaching? It could just be that the 2013 first round was a bit of a dog's breakfast.


Also: Brett Kulak and Garnet Hathaway weren't exactly can't-miss guys and Huska helped transition them to the NHL.

[Machiavelli]

Lord help us, it's not even June yet

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Don't call me obtuse, take your insults elsewhere. I guarantee I watch more AHL games then you do, I would bet on it. Facts, lets deal in those. Stockton has done nothing since Huska has been coaching there. Fact. Jankowski, Andersson, and Kylington were all high end prospects that were already on their trajectory and not a product of Huska's coaching. Fact. Klimchuk, Shinkaruk, and Poirier have either regressed or made no progress under Huska. Fact. The biggest fact though is that there was very good experienced coaches available for both the head coaching job and the assistant coaches positions and BT went dumpster diving again instead of spending to give this roster a real shot at winning. Is Bill Peters an upgrade on GG? No, they are the same damn coach with exception that GG is more of a players coach whereas Bill can be harder. They are both Babcock disciples, they preach the same system. If anything GG gets a nod because he has actually at least made the playoffs. I don't know enough about Ward but he can't be worse then Cameron so there is that but he sure as hell is not as good as Paul MacLean. Maybe the owners don't want to spend the money and are fine with mediocrity behind the bench but I am freakin tired of it! I hope they prove me wrong but unless there is some big player changes coming I see a strong LV team that might win the Cup, a strong SJ team, a Ducks team that has a stacked D but are getting long in the tooth up front in a few places, an Oilers team that were terrible last year but hit a home run with their AC hires and despite how much I hate them they are going to be better, and a young Yotes team that is due to break out. Unless this team can add some depth in the bottom six and a legit top line RW this team is looking at dead last in the Pacific with this coaching squad. If they can add those pieces we can fight for a wild card. This was the perfect opportunity for BT to fix his screw up the first time and instead he just shuffled the chairs...

Hah... I see I wasn't the first to mention this. But it bears repeating, because this is made *more* unreadable by the format. Let your content do the pruning.


I hate paragraphs as much as the next guy, but this...

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Don't call me obtuse, take your insults elsewhere. I guarantee I watch more AHL games then you do, I would bet on it. Facts, lets deal in those. Stockton has done nothing since Huska has been coaching there. Fact. Jankowski, Andersson, and Kylington were all high end prospects that were already on their trajectory and not a product of Huska's coaching. Fact. Klimchuk, Shinkaruk, and Poirier have either regressed or made no progress under Huska. Fact. The biggest fact though is that there was very good experienced coaches available for both the head coaching job and the assistant coaches positions and BT went dumpster diving again instead of spending to give this roster a real shot at winning. Is Bill Peters an upgrade on GG? No, they are the same damn coach with exception that GG is more of a players coach whereas Bill can be harder. They are both Babcock disciples, they preach the same system. If anything GG gets a nod because he has actually at least made the playoffs. I don't know enough about Ward but he can't be worse then Cameron so there is that but he sure as hell is not as good as Paul MacLean. Maybe the owners don't want to spend the money and are fine with mediocrity behind the bench but I am freakin tired of it! I hope they prove me wrong but unless there is some big player changes coming I see a strong LV team that might win the Cup, a strong SJ team, a Ducks team that has a stacked D but are getting long in the tooth up front in a few places, an Oilers team that were terrible last year but hit a home run with their AC hires and despite how much I hate them they are going to be better, and a young Yotes team that is due to break out. Unless this team can add some depth in the bottom six and a legit top line RW this team is looking at dead last in the Pacific with this coaching squad. If they can add those pieces we can fight for a wild card. This was the perfect opportunity for BT to fix his screw up the first time and instead he just shuffled the chairs...

Jesus Christ...

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Lord help us, it's not even June yet

Ok, but it will be in 26 hours and 45 minutes. Will that make things significantly different at all?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

@FriedgeHNIC: A bit of late-night coaching news: there is word Rick Bowness will not be returning to the TB bench. Bowness was a finalist for the ANA job in...

No.....just for all that is all good and holy in this world just no.....

I will go full dissentowner if Bonus comes here. Ugh..... just the worst.

Yes I have an irrational hatred for the guy. something about his face is so punchable. Something back in his senators days made me hate him and it stuck through his Islanders days and so on until he ended up in Vancouver in which just cemented his punchable face into unforgivable territory.

Im like %100 sure he pee'd in my cornflakes, and like pooped on my lawn at one point. and defintiely kicked a puppy, not my puppy, but someones puppy.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's cool though, I get that the majority of you are happy with mediocrity, that is what this fan base has had for years. Whatever, I will bow out of the discussion, we shall see

It's more to do with you having a melt-down and tantrum than any perceived love of mediocrity. What an inane conclusion to draw when people disagree with you.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Don't call me obtuse, take your insults elsewhere. I guarantee I watch more AHL games then you do, I would bet on it. Facts, lets deal in those. Stockton has done nothing since Huska has been coaching there. Fact. Jankowski, Andersson, and Kylington were all high end prospects that were already on their trajectory and not a product of Huska's coaching. Fact. Klimchuk, Shinkaruk, and Poirier have either regressed or made no progress under Huska. Fact. The biggest fact though is that there was very good experienced coaches available for both the head coaching job and the assistant coaches positions and BT went dumpster diving again instead of spending to give this roster a real shot at winning. Is Bill Peters an upgrade on GG? No, they are the same damn coach with exception that GG is more of a players coach whereas Bill can be harder. They are both Babcock disciples, they preach the same system. If anything GG gets a nod because he has actually at least made the playoffs. I don't know enough about Ward but he can't be worse then Cameron so there is that but he sure as hell is not as good as Paul MacLean. Maybe the owners don't want to spend the money and are fine with mediocrity behind the bench but I am freakin tired of it! I hope they prove me wrong but unless there is some big player changes coming I see a strong LV team that might win the Cup, a strong SJ team, a Ducks team that has a stacked D but are getting long in the tooth up front in a few places, an Oilers team that were terrible last year but hit a home run with their AC hires and despite how much I hate them they are going to be better, and a young Yotes team that is due to break out. Unless this team can add some depth in the bottom six and a legit top line RW this team is looking at dead last in the Pacific with this coaching squad. If they can add those pieces we can fight for a wild card. This was the perfect opportunity for BT to fix his screw up the first time and instead he just shuffled the chairs...

lol

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's cool though, I get that the majority of you are happy with mediocrity, that is what this fan base has had for years. Whatever, I will bow out of the discussion, we shall see

Who would you have hired?