Spoilers...Avengers: Infinity War Spoilers Thread

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by driveway

Oh wow are you ever wrong about My Dinner With Andre.


Also, with everyone thinking Dr. Strange has played some great trick on Thanos, I think we're all forgetting the way Loki - the God of Deception - pretty much sacrificed himself and handed over the Space Stone.

...

Or did he?

I'm just having fun on the dinner with Andre thing.

And without the Tesseract which is the space stone, Thano's couldn't teleport or open portals.

I think that Loki and Gamora are both dead for real, they weren't killed by the guantlet's power.

I think if you go back in time to save either you will ultimately fail

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Yeah and good riddance. His schtick was getting annoying in my opinion. Betray, don't betray, maybe betray! Back stab! psych, just kidding, we're all friends! Back stab...or not?

Thor pretty much said exactly that in Ragnarok:

Dear brother, you're becoming predictable. I trust you, you betray me, round and round in circles we go. See Loki, life is about... It's about growth, it's about change, but you seem to just want to stay the same. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you'll always be the god of mischief, but you could be more

Loki has a great character arc in the MCU and after a bit of redemption in Ragnarok it was appropriate to kill him off in Infinity War.

[driveway]

Oh I think he's dead.

I just don't think that was the Space Stone.

Spoiler!

In the Infinity War comics, The Magus is ultimately defeated as he's been given a false Reality Gem (by Thanos). Unaware of just how powerful the Gauntlet should be, the near-total power of the Gauntlet he does have convinces him he's truly the lord of the universe, while allowing a space for the heros to succeed in defeating him.

In Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos ends up incorporeal, Nebula gets the Gauntlet and Thanos has to help the remaining heros defeat her, in the process he realizes he doesn't think himself worthy of the power, and his destruction of half the Universe is undone.

I think we're headed for a combination of both of those endings.

I think Loki is dead, but he's become such a popular character and so many people like his face-turn that I think Marvel is going to milk it.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I'd say it's a 100% chance it was the space stone. The whole movie was about how, once completed, Thanos could simply snap his fingers and destroy half the universe's population. Once he got the mind stone, completing the gauntlet, that's exactly what happened. Not to mention he was able to use its power, the ability to teleport throughout the universe, once he acquired the stone.

I think they've given some hints as to the possible ways Thanos could be beat. The whole Gamora soul stone stuff and the Gauntlet breaking after he snaps his fingers makes more sense than Loki giving him a fake stone.

[Plett25]

I think Loki is (and should remain) dead

But, Loki is also the only character I could accept jumping up after that scene saying "Lol, I was only pretending to be dead"

My best guess is that:
Heimdall is all dead
Vision is almost certainly dead
Loki is probably dead
Gamora might not be dead
Nobody else is dead

[KTrain]

Joe Russo has confirmed a fan theory about Gamora and the Soul stone.

Spoiler!

Speaking to a crowd at the Iowa City High School, Russo reportedly confirmed that Gamora is inside the Soul Stone. This confirmation gives weight to one theory that other heroes could be trapped inside the stone, which serves a gateway to the pocket universe Soul World.


http://ca.ign.com/articles/2018/05/0...l-stone-theory

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Yeah and good riddance. His schtick was getting annoying in my opinion. Betray, don't betray, maybe betray! Back stab! psych, just kidding, we're all friends! Back stab...or not?

I felt the same way, but then Thor talked about how Loki tricked him by turning into a snake and tried to stab him - when they were eight. They're 1500, this has been going on for centuries. It reminded me that they are Gods and that a betrayal, maybe a couple attempted murders here or there, aren't that big of a deal to them. They get over it.

[Matata]

I never liked movie Loki, in the comics he's a master manipulator, an unkillable sorcerer and one of the top villains, but in the movies he's just tough enough to make the hero's look good when hey stomp him. I'd love to see him emerge as a top villain a few years down the road, but I'd rather he stay dead then continue on as the bitch of the MCU.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Fastest movie to ever cross the 1B mark worldwide, and it doesn't open in China until Friday

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comm...kend_avengers/

[Flashpoint]

It was a pretty good superhero movie. Or at least 2/3rds of one. I watch the films, like the Iron Man ones, pretty middling on the rest, but definitely enjoyed the last Thor. I think I like those the best because they don't take themselves too seriously.

Given the number of characters, I thought the humor was well handled. Looking forward to the sequel, since the story left you hanging. Hope I remember the details by the time it comes out!

Since it was mentioned on the previous page - I much preferred Last Jedi and would agree with the critics in terms of overall ratings. I think it's a tighter narrative and I enjoy the main characters more. That said, Star Wars is a franchise I'm more invested in generally, and this is clearly a "bridge movie" where they are tying up ends from 14 (?) different films.

At the end of the day, I certainly enjoyed Avengers IW, but it's not good enough for me to own (which is sort of my dividing line between "very good" "amazeballs").

No offense intended to anyone who loved it. If I was more into comics, I probably would have too.

[Scorch]

I’m not sure why this movie was so well received.

The Vision/Scarlet Witch love story felt forced
Hulk not coming out got annoying
Gamora getting “sacrificed” was seen miles away
Star lord is a complete bonehead

But props to Disney for having the stones by mass killing everyone’s favourite heroes and letting the bad guy win

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Scorch

I’m not sure why this movie was so well received.

The Vision/Scarlet Witch love story felt forced
Hulk not coming out got annoying
Gamora getting “sacrificed” was seen miles away
Star lord is a complete bonehead

But props to Disney for having the stones by mass killing everyone’s favourite heroes and letting the bad guy win

Vision/Scarlet was short and sweet, no need to go into a huge backstory or try and make it a movie on its own but its a big story.

Hulk not coming out seemed to be a pride thing after he got wrecked in space and nearly killed. No one is stronger than Hulk in his own mind.

Gamora was sacrificed and I can agree her not seeing it coming was odd but she isn't dead she is living happily in the Soul Stone.

I don't know much about Starlord so I don't know if his character is supposed to be that over the top, I like the character but I don't think its portrayed as it would be in the comics?

The movie could have been twice as long and went into full detail and I would be ok with that, its hard to bring this many storylines together with enough screen time to make the audience get into it (Looking at you Justice League)

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

IW is 'just' another superhero movie and doesn't hit much of the social justice scale.

Well, I mean, Carol Danvers is about to show up and beat everyone up, despite the fact that she isn't supposed to be that level of powerful. I guess they might go full Binary with her.

Originally Posted by Sliver

Saw it today. Long and boring. This super hero fad has got to end at some point. Every movie is exactly the same, but more boring than the last. Where's this decade's Natural Born Killers, or Pulp Fiction? More fataing superhero BS.

People gave this a lot of crap but I have to say, much as I enjoy these movies, they are occupying a lot of the field at this stage. It certainly hasn't prevented actual, honest to goodness great films from being made, but you don't see anywhere near as many of them being "the thing everyone's talking about".

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Give me an action movie under 2 hours please. These superhero movies need to edit their stuff down a bit. Way too bloated with filler.

I actually thought even another 20 minutes would have helped. My big "fix" for this movie is that I would have started the film with the Gamora childhood flashback, added another as she was growing up, and maybe even given Gamora and Thanos a bit more screen time on their way to the soul stone to really drive home the connection between them and his odd sort of fatherly affection for her. Would have given her death even more "right in the feels" oomph, and more character development for Thanos.

One area of weakness for the film, I thought was that while we know Thanos exists from the earlier films, suddenly the movie is all Thanos, all the time. Had they done a little more to make him fleshed out as a character and a sort of lurking threat that will materialize (along with his henchmen) the film would have been better. Ebony Maw was so good in such limited time in this. I doubt anyone even knew what the names of those characters were. Also, no Supergiant, for some reason. Guess they felt they had enough characters as it was.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Watchman tried to be that movie and in retrospect, it really sucked.

No it didn't. It didn't succeed in what it aimed for but it had some outstanding elements and some segments that were absolutely fantastic. The extended cut makes a big difference. Manhattan's flashback sequence is one of the better things ever done in a superhero movie.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Of all the characters that I am 100% convinced are really dead and not coming back Loki is at the top of the list.

Heimdall is toast. I think Vision is too. I'm actually pretty damned sure we'll see Loki again at some point. He is the God of Mischief. He cannot die. It might be female Loki though, and not Hiddleston.

[Erick Estrada]

Any opinions from those that are not Marvel fanboys or those with higher than average expectations of films? I find all these movies are overrated to a degree so the positive reviews haven't been enough to encourage me to see this in the theatre.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Saw it today. Long and boring. This super hero fad has got to end at some point. Every movie is exactly the same, but more boring than the last. Where's this decade's Natural Born Killers, or Pulp Fiction? More fataing superhero BS.

3 Billboards was as good or better than those two films.

Comic book movies are just pure fun at the other end of the spectrum. It's a formula but a great one.

I enjoyed the Guardians encounter with Thor most of all. I think Hemsworth and the Guardians ensemble have by far the best comedic stlyings out of the entire Marvel cast.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Scorch

I’m not sure why this movie was so well received.

The Vision/Scarlet Witch love story felt forced

Hasn't this been building for a while? Plus she needed a cost to destroying the stone and having Thanos do what he did. Plus good on Tony for having the foresight to make Vision anatomically correct.

Originally Posted by Scorch

Hulk not coming out got annoying

Was it a point of pride for the hulk to not come out, or was he the typical 5 year old bully who finally gets his butt kicked and withdraws from further fights?

Originally Posted by Scorch

Gamora getting “sacrificed” was seen miles away

I actually loved the idea that she didn't realize that Thanos actually loved her. When she was laughing and saying that he didn't love anything and then the realization came out that he did and was about to give that up was actually a visceral shock to her and a great moment for me as a viewer. Its where we really began to believe that instead of being the standard kill everyone villain, that Thanos actually truly believed that he was the hero doing the unbearable for the right reasons.

Originally Posted by Scorch

Star lord is a complete bonehead

But hasn't that been StarLords problem all along, he's not a thinking man's hero, he's a fly by the seat of his pants, driven by emotions hero, he's really the complete opposite of most of the other mains in the storyline who are pretty logical in their heroism. Remember the argument between Captain America and Iron Man in the Avengers.


Captain America - "You're not the guy who would lay down on the barbed wire so everyone else could get across"


Iron Man - "I would cut the barbed wire"


Or something like that.


Peter . . . would despite all the quips and funny lines absolutely lay down on the barbed wire, he would get irrational when someone close to him got hurt, that goes back to not taking his moms hand. He felt he failed her, and all he has is the concepts of rage, and revenge to fall back on.

Originally Posted by Scorch

But props to Disney for having the stones by mass killing everyone’s favourite heroes and letting the bad guy win

I loved it, but I keep thinking in this movie its easy to say the above, but to frame it in terms of the movie itself and its centralized theme.


Props to Disney for having the stones by mass killing everyone's favorite heroes and letting the Protagonist anti-hero win.


Honestly If you look at the central theme of this movie, it makes for a really cool discussion around the concept of what is and isn't standardized story telling in a hero's universe.


While the Avengers weren't the villains in this movie, they really were the antagonists, and Thanos wasn't the typical villain.


Oh and the book club meets at 9:00 and Locke's place, bring Scotch and Cigars. We'll be reading comics.

[troutman]

Film Festivals are full of quality art films, if summer block-busters aren't your thing.

[CaptainCrunch]

I've written a sequel to Dinner with Andre, called Dishes with Andre, where they clean up their dishes and load the dishwasher.


I'm setting up a go fund me page, I'm looking for $30 million bucks to make it and hope to show it at Cannes.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

People gave this a lot of crap but I have to say, much as I enjoy these movies, they are occupying a lot of the field at this stage. It certainly hasn't prevented actual, honest to goodness great films from being made, but you don't see anywhere near as many of them being "the thing everyone's talking about".

I agree with this, but you can't blame any one single movie. It's just economics. The effects people come to expect and the casts are so expensive these days, that making a movie that won't have mass appeal is difficult to do. The movie has to appeal to people of all ages and types or the movie just won't be able to recoup its budget.

One thing that is really starting to irk me about films is that teal/orange colour palette. The studios use it to heighten emotion, but it's really getting to me.

[CaptainCrunch]

I guess the question is always about rate of return


If you make a "great film" that doesn't have franchise backing you're going to spend lets say $50 to $100 million bucks and maybe get your investment back or break even.


Or as a studio you put your weight into franchise movies, that cost $200 million bucks and in the first two weeks you're into profit territory or in the case of this movie making overwhelming profit.


As a studio that does give you options to make other types of movies that might be riskier.


But a studio that concentrates too much on riskier "great movies" that don't have mass appeal usually end up being bought by the bigger studios.