Francis with Kerr: Who is going?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've heard the odd rumour about some of the players but they are all second or third hand so I haven't cared to comment about them.

Comment away. I do hope Francis outs the players . I hated the last half of the season

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Comment away

Nope. I can't confirm the talk so I won't disparage the particular players. My only reason for mentioning it is that such rumours aren't isolated or just click baiting.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've heard the odd rumour about some of the players but they are all second or third hand so I haven't cared to comment about them.

Where is Francis going to get material for his column if it's not posted here?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nope. I can't confirm the talk so I won't disparage the particular players. My only reason for mentioning it is that such rumours aren't isolated or just click baiting.

Your a better man than me.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've heard the odd rumour about some of the players but they are all second or third hand so I haven't cared to comment about them.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nope. I can't confirm the talk so I won't disparage the particular players. My only reason for mentioning it is that such rumours aren't isolated or just click baiting.

Seriously? What a #### tease. why even post the first part then?

[Timbo]

I’m not certain if this years off season will intrigue me or scare the living bejesus from me.

[timbit]

I honestly don’t know. I am confident that Treliving and his management team will arrive at the right decisions. I am good with what they decide as I like the rest of us have little to no idea of the inner workings of the coach player relationships etc.

Patiently awaiting their findings and solutions.

Their PP has been dreadful. A big part of that is on coaching and some of it is on the top players.

Their goaltending home vs road is a mystery as are their other difficulties at home.

This confuses the hell out of me....
For the first 70 games the Flames had one of the best road records in the NHL along with one of the worst home records.

As far as systems go, I have absolutely no issues with how they played on the road. One would have to assume that their strategies and systems would not have changed at home. Home record is confounding and astoundingly bad.

I believe a lot of the reason for their upper echelon road record success would be based on individual player mental preparation and the same holds for their failures at home.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The assumption was that they couldn't win with those guys. LA won with those guys. So the assumption was wrong.

Pretty straight-forward.

No team will ever win with Richards and Carter is different from the Flyers won't win with Richards and Carter. Pretty straightforward.

Originally Posted by nik-

They've won one playoff round since that highway robbery, and it was the year directly after the trade.

It's been miss outright or first round exit every season since.

And the Stars haven't accomplished anything since the Seguin trade. It was still a good trade.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by timbit

I honestly don’t know. I am confident that Treliving and his management team will arrive at the right decisions. I am good with what they decide as I like the rest of us have little to no idea of the inner workings of the coach player relationships etc.

Patiently awaiting their findings and solutions.

Their PP has been dreadful. A big part of that is on coaching and some of it is on the top players.

Their goaltending home vs road is a mystery as are their other difficulties at home.

This confuses the hell out of me....
For the first 70 games the Flames had one of the best road records in the NHL along with one of the worst home records.

As far as systems go, with the exception of PP I have absolutely no issues with how they played on the road. One would have to assume that their strategies and systems would not have changed at home. Home record is confounding and astoundingly bad.

I believe a lot of the reason for their upper echelon road record success would be based on individual player mental preparation and the same holds for their failures at home.

I’ve said it before but it feels like the home woes and stellar road record are one of two things or a combination of both:

1) road games don’t allow GG to try and line match, and since he’s such a bad in-game coach that actually worked to the Flames advantage

2) players are too comfortable at home, pre game prep etc that whatever bad habits they have ingrained into their daily lives are far more easily given into

It really doesn’t make any sense why they were so terrible at home. I lean towards thinking something’s rotten in Denmark but that’s because I love a good melodrama.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I understand that it's nice to salivate over the return trading one of the league's best wingers could get (despite the fact it's extremely unlikely anyone puts forth the kind over-payment that would make it worth it), but that last statement is beyond perplexing.

You don't think you can win with one of the league's best playmakers who visibly makes everyone around him better and accounts for a staggering part of this team's offense? Dizzying.

Agree wholeheartedly. How does having Johnny for another 5 years at 6.75 AAV diminish our chances of winning?

[Teroy]

Gaudrea reminds me of Nedved. All the talent in the world offensively and then nothing.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

And the Stars haven't accomplished anything since the Seguin trade. It was still a good trade.

That trade is kind of the opposite of what I'm talking about from the perspective of the Stars.

[JohnnyB]

A coach who focusses on sticking to a system and winning statistical battles has players that care too much about stats. Not surprising.

It would be very wrong to give up on any of the young stars on the team at this point. Get rid of GG, bring in a better coach to work with them, replace older guys who are trending down or have started to suck and go with that.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Johnny is not the problem. He plays his role very well at an affordable price. The fact that there are better players in the league does not mean he can’t be a big part of the solution here.

We need to add to him, not replace him.

Literally same crap theories that resulted in moving Taylor hall for a number 4 dman.


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[Press Level]

Wow, an Eric Francis quote has spawned a 13 page (and counting) thread.

The world has truly gone mad...

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Gaudrea reminds me of Nedved. All the talent in the world offensively and then nothing.

That Gaudrea sounds nothing like the Gaudreau we have on the Flames.

[Joborule]

When Gaudreau was flirting with the top spot in the scoring race for a fair portion of the season, and was something like 2nd in the NHL in contribution percentage in team goals this season, it shows that he's not a player that you win with.

A team that's lacking offense talent, the best choice to make is to trade your young, and still developing superstar. That'll certainly fix the team's issues! Can't win with a player like Gaudreau on your roster. (Although the team trading for them think differently?)

If you can't win with him, then you can't win with Connor McDavid, or Jarome Iginla in his prime.

Yeesh. Gaudreau is not the problem. Without him the Flames likely would be competing for the 1st overall pick this draft.

The problem is that Gaudreau doesn't have support that's required. He's a playmaker, not #1C that does everything.

If we're gonna be placing blame on players not doing enough, and being "the players you win with", look at Monahan and Bennett. And one of those players was dealing with an injury which required surgery.

Flames, and Gaudreau lack that #1C that is a strong two way player whom can also put the puck in the net often. They're also missing right side talent on the top 2 lines. I don't think trading Gaudreau to fill those holes is a good idea, since you won't get enough of a return and just create a new hole.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Oh yeah? Where was he in the playoffs against Anaheim?

When does he step up to get us a game tying goal in important games?

What a weak argument. He had two assists in four games. That's the same stat line Kane had while Chicago was swept at the same time.

Sometimes good players are shut down by good teams in small samples sizes.

The year before that he had 9 points in 11 playoff games as a rookie. I like how you conveniently left that out.

As I said, your assertions he 'lacks mental toughness' and 'disappears when it matters' were abhorrent. Pure drivel.

[Igottago]

This thread is classic "let's trade Iggy for Mike Peca" mentality all over again. What is it with Flames fans not valuing offensive players? Do you guys enjoy hockey?

I saw the Subban trade mentioned earlier..you do realize we would be trading away the young, exciting, dynamic, highly impactful player, right? We would be making the same mistake Montreal did.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Seriously? What a #### tease. why even post the first part then?

You're seriously getting angry with him for not participating in what's likely a hysteria driven witch hunt?

That is exactly what's wrong with online discussion.

I think the most likely explanation here is there's a young core of players who still have things to learn and Eric Francis doesn't know what the sweet diddly ____ he's talking about. But he does what he does (put out negative click-bate to get people talking) and now we're in for a summer of a small group on here insisting we get to the bottom of who the heartless loser(s) are/is that need to go.

Just brutal.