[PGT] Flames fall apart again ... Lose 5-2 to the Avs

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

bet was win 5 of 6 OR make the playoffs. You are always so optimistic and berate posters who aren't yet when you get a chance to back it up you say it's a terrible bet and need odds.

Call it what you want but you went from eternal optimist to realist really quick once money became involved

You're clearly not much of a gambler so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.


Not going to expose myself to lose $100 unless the odds make the bet fair. I have to have my bet Win 5 of 6 games. You need 2. If we were in Vegas, I would be getting some serious odds if I wanted to put money down.

Remember, you're the one who offered the original bet. Not me.

Now if you wanna do the bet Straight up for different stakes and just for fun, then I might be game. But no chance am I putting money down on it. That's just dumb on my part.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

Fair enough.

I'm sure he's a good human being. I just hate him as our coach and wish he was gone months ago.

I get it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Predicting that they won't make the playoffs is not the same as saying they have no chance at all...

I am talking about the season over comments...there have been plenty of them

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Which is it?

I'd much rather get a legit, winning NHL coach versus blowing up the roster.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by AC

Here's Gulutzan's post game video:

https://twitter.com/user/status/969092369088880641

I really don't think this is bad at all, unless employees of NHL organizations aren't allowed opinions I guess. Wouldn't be surprised though if Gulutzan is disciplined for being honest.

I guess I just am not sure I like the NHL anymore. I didn't watch tonight, nor the other night. When they're on, I find it hard to focus on the games because they're almost always so bad to watch.

Tough to be a Flames fan and care right now. Kind of feel bad for the players in a weird way, but not sure they deserve sympathy either.

Coach should have been let go in December. The obvious decision here has been obvious for awhile.

[Strange Brew]

Nothing like watching 2 guys argue over an internet bet.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I hope all Flames fans wish the team would win for the coach, like his style or not

I think those who place all the blame on the coach will be in for a sad season next year if the coach is fired and no major personal moves are made.

On one hand most people say the forwards are not good enough...laughably so on the right side and in the bottom six.

On the other hand this coach is terrible for being the Flames being a bubble team with so much talent.

Which is it?

A ####ty coach and a roster with problems. Both of these are miraculously existing at the same time. Contrary to the laws of nature, clearly, but here we are.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Yes, I 100% agree. I all but stopped officiating kids except in spring hockey just for the cash. The kids treat officials like crap because they see the parents and the coaches doing it. It spreads and it's that way in adult hockey too. It's a huge problem and it's frustrating being a referee because of it.

United made a good point earlier about wanting to be noticed by your peers. No different from any other workplace you really like being a part of. The problem is, new guy doesn't seem to respect that it's equal parts forming a working relationship with the players as it is making the right calls.

Our most beloved hated ref Kerry Fraser alluded to it in his Player's Tribune article. Was talking to Tyson Nash about an incident with Theo Fleury that happened decades back and asked if he remembers it. His decision regarding incident was a very hockey thing to do. Instead of throwing Nash out of the game for particularly hurtful slurs, he had the two players meet at intermission and Nash had a genuine apology for Theo, which was accepted. And then on went the game.

Nash, many years later goes: "Kerry, are you kidding me? Of course I remember it. That night changed my life. It really made me think about what kind of person I wanted to be.”

Also, Quennville is an incredible person. The more I read up on him, and how he handles his players, the more I want him to coach the Flames.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by zamler

I'd much rather get a legit, winning NHL coach versus blowing up the roster.

Not blowing up but the team obviously needs better forwards and more scoring no matter who is in charge

[zamler]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Not going to expose myself to lose $100 unless the odds make the bet fair. I have to have my bet Win 5 of 6 games. You need 2.

He said win 5 of the next 6 or make the playoffs. If you're quite sure the Flames will make the post season then the odds are in your favour.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not blowing up but the team obviously needs better forwards and more scoring no matter who is in charge

Agreed. But I don't think our lineup is as bad as our record. We've lost quite a few games due to questionable coaching decisions. IMO.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by AC

Here's Gulutzan's post game video:

https://twitter.com/user/status/969092369088880641

Very refreshing comments. Not covering up the bs or calling it any other way than it was.

"Jipped", "biased", you're damn right it was Glen. Refs (or ref) being the most emotionally charged guy in the game should not be the case at the NHL level.

If he was indeed was baiting Glen for the minor then that's complete amateur crap for this level.

The officials, especially that rookie guy tonight, really need to grow a thicker skin and remember there's a rule book by which they're employed to abide by, which doesn't include a chapter on abandoning the system for their own personal agenda.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Ah, cool cool.

I'm more of the mind that every day spent walking down the wrong path, is a day wasted.

I know it won't it happen - it was mostly just a point used to emphasize my desire to see the guy no longer coach here.

And yeah, your last sentence is a fair point.

It's not that i'm married to Gulutzan, it's that it's too late if you thought a coaching change would save the season, because the team MVP is injured, you can't load up on talent at the deadline to help your new coach succeed, and that any coach out there is going to likely be subpar, but also will hamstring a REAL coaching search that should happen in the offseason, when all candidates are available, and you can make more than a rash decision that will impact the organization for years.

Flames could still make it and maybe do some damage but it's not on the coach at this point.

The team is horribly put together. Needs major changes in the off-season.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by zamler

He said win 5 of the next 6 or make the playoffs. If you're quite sure the Flames will make the post season then the odds are in your favour.

This is betting though. This is not 'being a fan'.

He's asking for odds, because this is a fair amount of real money being wagered, with calculable odds and outcomes. It takes all of 30 seconds to Google up sportsclubstats.com and see that the playoff chances for us aren't exactly doing so hot.

For us to win 5 of 6? Oh boy. Don't even go there with the math.

[Travis Munroe]

I really feel some guys are being mismanaged and this team is not as bad as many believe ... put in the right role and we could be a top team in the division.

Brouwer.... a great 4th line guy we all love until we remember his salary. The salary isn't hurting us right now so no big deal. Coaching seemed to insist on trying to turn him into a top 6 guy too many times instead of facing what we have.

Hathaway... when reminded he is an agitator who plays the body and gets under the skin of other players he is one of my favourite flames to watch. When he plays like Stajan he is completely replaceable as he doesnt bring the experience or leadership Stajan has.... Why he hasn't sat more often after soft games is beyond me.

Stewart and Glass.... inject them both into the lineup on the same night means we are going to play in your face, crash and bang our way to a win and put Anaheim, LA and Edmonton on notice that we can also play big. Instead we see Glass follow the formula on his first shift and then the plan blew away in the wind and we decided to play a skill game with grinders in the lineup.

Bennett has got to be frustrated beyond belief. I understand how many of you are on his case but the guy cant catch a break. He finally gets an opportunity to play with Johny and Mony, we win back to back games scoring 5 in each game and then he is replaced with a waiver wire player...what does that do to a guys confidence. It is obvious he is fighting the game right now and often tries to do too much which leads to a bad play. I will take a wager any day of the week that this guy will score 30 in a season under a different coach.

The 3M line.... why is it impossible to break this up when we are losing? If Bennett isnt the answer on the top line, why have we not seen Tkachuk play with them and Bennett slot in with Backlund and Frolik? I get that the 3 of them play well but imagine if you could create 2 good lines by trying to mix it up.

Our top offensive D man having to wait as long as he did to find a firm spot on the top PP was just stupid.

Hamonic .... I must not have known as much as I thought I did about him because I thought he was a tough keep your head up kind of d man. I still have no issues with the trade as I think he is having an off year and has a lot more to give and could be flipped for more than we paid under a different system that plays to players strengths and not black and white X's and O's

Jankowski... How many rookies did we have sit out every now and then to watch from above over the last few years? He isn't a liability but he isn't anywhere close to what he can be. It feels so "oiler'ish" to let him keep coasting to mediocrity without trying something new.

I believe in this team and despite many of the posts thinking it is average, I believe we are a top team in the division with a healthy Smith and coach who plays each individual player and not advanced stats.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by zamler

He said win 5 of the next 6 or make the playoffs. If you're quite sure the Flames will make the post season then the odds are in your favour.

Agreed. But I don't think our lineup is as bad as our record. We've lost quite a few games due to questionable coaching decisions. IMO.

I love how people equate people having hope or being optimistic with people being certain things are going to go the right way.

I have no idea how this season is going to end. I do know that the season is far from over and I'm not willing to join the "so long playoffs" crowd because I'm not wired to assume the worst is going to happen.

Enjoy the ride, the ups and downs, and if it doesn't pan out, it sucks and will sting but life will move on is where I'm at.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I hope all Flames fans wish the team would win for the coach, like his style or not

I think those who place all the blame on the coach will be in for a sad season next year if the coach is fired and no major personal moves are made.

That would depend in whether the next coach has a sryle suitable for the modern game as well as our roster's strengths.

On one hand most people say the forwards are not good enough...laughably so on the right side and in the bottom six.

On the other hand this coach is terrible for being the Flames being a bubble team with so much talent.

Which is it?

It's both. The forwards are not good enough to play a style so focused on cycling and so exclusive to forward play. They (*the guys who should be in the game, so Lazar/Mangiapane/Klimchuk not Glass et al) are however good enough to play an aggressive, high tempo style that incorporates the elite defensive skill we have.

This is a talented, imperfect team with a coach who simply does not fit.

[dino7c]

I didn't even realize the far ref made that call on Tkachuk...that is insane, the other guy is standing right there

[Dion]

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It's not that i'm married to Gulutzan, it's that it's too late if you thought a coaching change would save the season, because the team MVP is injured, you can't load up on talent at the deadline to help your new coach succeed, and that any coach out there is going to likely be subpar, but also will hamstring a REAL coaching search that should happen in the offseason, when all candidates are available, and you can make more than a rash decision that will impact the organization for years.

Flames could still make it and maybe do some damage but it's not on the coach at this point.

The team is horribly put together. Needs major changes in the off-season.

I look at the roster, and I can't say I want major changes. Measured changes, absolutely - but not massive sweeping ones. We're definitely going to see, I think, at the minimum two significant moves.

1. High-end D prospect, or prospects, is going out for a high-end scoring RW because free agency is a wasteland - unless Evander Kane hits free agency, which I'd love.

2. I think Brodie and/or Stone is going to be dealt. Roster spots need to be opened on the back-end.

Saying that though, I guess it could be viewed as "major changes" as we're likely looking at a 3-5 player turnover. That's definitely not insignificant.

The coaching market is going to get really interesting this summer with uncertainty in Chicago and New York (Rangers).

[dino7c]

OMG, which one of you are on the Fan right now?