[Trade] Yakupov to St. Louis for conditional 3rd + Zach Pochiro

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

Let's also not forget the laughter here when Chiarelli traded Hall for Larsson.

If we are only considering the first games for both Edmonton and New Jersey for our 'trade value metric', and seeing the impact that the two had for their new teams, I'd have to say that, so far, Chiarelli won that trade too.

The Oilers had 40 shots against...while they were on the powerplay most of the game.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Somebody needs to photo shop them saying " we did it!!! We got the hell out of Edmonton!!!

[devo22]

good on Yak. I hope he really turns it around in St. Louis - not only because it'd be hilarious to keep laughing about the Oilers, but also because he's never really been a part of the smug golden boys up north. Yes there was this ridiculous slide in his first game, but afterwards the Oilers dumpster fire seemed to suck the life out of him. There were loads of relief when he scored yesterday, you could see how much that meant to him. Will be hilarious to see him do well under Hitch. He'll probably never live up to the 1st overall, but with a good coach and some adjustments there's still potential for a really solid top 6 winger.

[aaronck]

Picked up Yak in the last round of my hockey pool last night- I would love to see this bite the Oilers in the a$$!

[Huntingwhale]

Glad to see Yak doing well so far. Edmonton just sucks the life out of some players with how they developed them.

Guys like Yakupov, Draisatl, RNH and even McDavid are players that I actually like. They all seem like legit good, humble players. But stick them with the Oilers and they have this stench on them that you are forced to gag when you think about them.

Here's hoping Yak can turn it around long term and bring the Oilers shame everytime he plays against them.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

GoJetsGo

Not an Oilers fan.

A Flames fan and more importantly a hockey fan.

I was disucussing how the Yakupov trade for spare parts was, in my view, an opportunity to blow off his salary for the cap space, not for the assets required.

Later Chiarelli aquired Kris Russell for a one year deal.

Considering the difference in money out/money in, and considering the Oilers needed a veteran defenceman more than they needed Yakupov, not such a bad outcome.

Someone noted Yakupov's two points in his first game. So what. Kris Russell effectively replaces Yakupov salary cap wise.

Seriously people, are we so grasping at anything for comfort after game 1, that we can't have a civil conversation about the Yakupov trade?

I simply offered an alternate theory to the one that says the Oilers got nothing for Yakupov in the St Louis trade.

I say they did...the cap space to sign Russell, an asset that they were sorely lacking.

Are we incapable of civil discussion on the original topic. Seriously.

It can be the correct move to make and terrible asset management / Player development at the same time. Freeing cap space to sign Russel was a good move that needed to be done. Not being able to sign Versteeg and getting to he point with Yakupov that he needed to be given away so you had room to sign a 4/5 d-man because you had none in your system that were close is terrible development and asset management.

Same with the Hall trade, not developing Hall 's defensive game properly so you could trade him for a number 1 defensemen rather than a 2/3 defensemen is a failure of asset management and development made necessary by blowing other tradeable assets (Reinhart trade) terrible management. But on balance trading Hall for Larson made the Oilers better long term.

So provided Chia has a greater stream of incoming assets in than the rest of the NHL he can afford to get negative value on his trades to fill holes they are unable to fill internally. However now that the Oilers look like a 10th - 13th place team the stream of elite assets will stop and his getting 75 cents on the dollar for trades will start to cost him the same way it did in Boston.

So is Edmonton better at hockey then they were before Yak and Hall were done -- Yes. Did they maximize the value of the assets they had -- No.

[PlayfulGenius]

Who have been Yakupov's linemates in STL, thus far?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Who have been Yakupov's linemates in STL, thus far?

Berglund and Paajarvi for the most part. Played a bit with Upshall and Fabbri as well.

[Finger Cookin]

I'll just say that, just as I could have done without the game by game updates on Baertschi after he was dealt, I could do without hearing Yakupov's name ever again unless we're playing his team.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I'll just say that, just as I could have done without the game by game updates on Baertschi after he was dealt, I could do without hearing Yakupov's name ever again unless we're playing his team.

That sounds like it should be coming from a butt hurt oilers fan.

Why would any Flames fan be upset about Yakupov? He's showing up the Oilers management and fan base... and you're upset.. uhhh ohhh..

[BananaPancakes]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I'll just say that, just as I could have done without the game by game updates on Baertschi after he was dealt, I could do without hearing Yakupov's name ever again unless we're playing his team.

Could you also do without clicking on threads that don't interest you and posting about how you're not interested?

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

That sounds like it should be coming from a butt hurt oilers fan.

Why would any Flames fan be upset about Yakupov? He's showing up the Oilers management and fan base... and you're upset.. uhhh ohhh..

Not upset. Just DGAF.

[McG]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

I know that no one will agree, but the trade with St Louis for Yakupov wasn't about the assets they got in return. To me it is obvious that the trade was made simply to free up cap space to sign something they truly needed...veteran defenceman Kris Russell.

Might not look good now, but I believe that Kris Russell will have far greater long term value to the Oilers than Yakupov ever would have, even if Yak realizes his potential. After watching him the last three years, do any of us really believe he will? A wistful fantasy, nothing more.

We have laughed for years at the defence woes of that team.

I believe that we may not be laughing much longer, despite whatever success Yakupov has.

Sure Yak got two points in his first game with St Louis, but Kris Russell also got two with the Oilers.

So far, it is a wash. So far, kudos to Chiarelli.

I will also be watching this story develop with interest. My version may be much more compelling that the other one.

If our performance in Edmonton on Wednesday is repeated tonight, none of us will give a crap about the Yakupov trade anyway. Unless of course, Russell gets another two points.

Could happen.

Think about that.

It is a team game, remember? It isn't about the stats of one player.

Can I just say that I enjoyed your posts on this thread? I don't necessarily agree with them, but you raise interesting points that are absolutely worth discussing in a manner that, well, raises the discourse on CP. I see that you are a long time member so I wanted to encourage you to post more. I may not agree with what you have written, but I will definitely be looking for your posts in the future especially due to the way that you have written them.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Not upset. Just DGAF.

So then why did you click on a thread on that very topic and take your time to then post in it?

[Finger Cookin]

Because I felt like expressing that opinion at that moment in time? Is that OK with you, IgiTang, and BananaPancakes? Is there a council of elders I should contact to run my posts past first? Or can I post just like every other member here? I'll let you guys have the last word, enjoy.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Because I felt like expressing that opinion at that moment in time? Is that OK with you, IgiTang, and BananaPancakes? Is there a council of elders I should contact to run my posts past first? Or can I post just like every other member here? I'll let you guys have the last word, enjoy.

I just find it odd when people enter a thread, that is pretty clearly labeled in terms of the subject matter - to tell everyone why they don't care about it.
Seems like a very odd thing to do.
Have at it though.

[Locke]

I for one am immensely enjoying watching Yak's success.

Sure its not as sweet as Pronger winning the Cup. Or Schultz winning the Cup.

But its getting there.

[darthma]

Originally Posted by itsmagic

I know that no one will agree, but the trade with St Louis for Yakupov wasn't about the assets they got in return. To me it is obvious that the trade was made simply to free up cap space to sign something they truly needed...veteran defenceman Kris Russell.

Might not look good now, but I believe that Kris Russell will have far greater long term value to the Oilers than Yakupov ever would have, even if Yak realizes his potential. After watching him the last three years, do any of us really believe he will? A wistful fantasy, nothing more.

We have laughed for years at the defence woes of that team.

I believe that we may not be laughing much longer, despite whatever success Yakupov has.

Sure Yak got two points in his first game with St Louis, but Kris Russell also got two with the Oilers.

So far, it is a wash. So far, kudos to Chiarelli.

I will also be watching this story develop with interest. My version may be much more compelling that the other one.

If our performance in Edmonton on Wednesday is repeated tonight, none of us will give a crap about the Yakupov trade anyway. Unless of course, Russell gets another two points.

Could happen.

Think about that.

It is a team game, remember? It isn't about the stats of one player.

The challenge is that if you're doing those sorts of things, it means the team is screwed with cap space. So you need to get rid of good players to make room for good players? I use the word 'good' loosely here.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Because I felt like expressing that opinion at that moment in time? Is that OK with you, IgiTang, and BananaPancakes? Is there a council of elders I should contact to run my posts past first? Or can I post just like every other member here? I'll let you guys have the last word, enjoy.

It's the Internet equivalent of walking up to a group of people having a conversation, waiting for a pause, and saying "I don't care about this" and then waiting for someone to respond to you.

It's just weird.

[sureLoss]

so KHL next year?

Jeremy Rutherford @jprutherford
Yakupov will be a healthy scratch for third straight game. Hitch says he doesn't need to need do anything different, just not one of top 12.