Alberta Politics Thread

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

I wasn't talking about Alberta.

Western demographics are flattening out at an increasing pace. We will start seeing significant decreases in a generation.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by peter12

Actually two, as well. And I am licensed to work in Ancient Greece, Early Modernity, and the Late Modern Existential Crisis.

Well, my knowledge of Soviet foreign policy in the interwar period, while "fresher", is similarly applicable...

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Seriously, glad to see that you have nothing to add that's actually intelligence.

Hey I have an idea, why don't you take things to a personal level.

Come on sport throw out some really good insults, I can take it.

Really, CC? Did someone else make all these posts the previous two pages?

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

your last paragraph is face punchingly awful.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Man you are just a blazing fool.

You understand nothing, you play inside your imagination. You're completely clueless.
ssssshhhh the adults are talking.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm done debating with idiots.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think someone's mother tied the bib a little too tight around his neck when she was feeding him pudding this morning.

Don't dish it out if you're going to get pissy when it's handed back.

[Tinordi]

What could go wrong in a city watered by glacial runoff when the glaciers are gone?

I don't pretend to know the exact impacts of a warming climate on Alberta beyond that the probable impacts are not good.

Maybe everything will work out great on a climatological front. But maybe things will work out terribly. Our colonial ancestors on these plains would have taken cold comfort hoping for a warm winter rather than chopping wood.

[Fuzz]

The fact is, the climate is constantly changing. Civilizations have come and gone and the whims of the climate. Given most of the worlds heavy emitters are doing very little to nothing, our focus should be on adaptation, not kneecapping ourselves. Sure, we can work towards reducing emissions in the long term, but lets be realistic about it.

[Ozy_Flame]

RE: Provincial debt

I think it's pretty obvious why no one gives a flying F about the bleed in the operations budget and our provinicial debt. It doesn't affect them personally if Alberta is in the hole. We still have our health care, our schools, our roads, our infrastructure, everything the province offers us (more or less) whether we have a $2 billion surplus and Ralph Bucks or we're $10 billion indebted. That's been our experience, and no one has taken away that which we rely on in our daily lives as Albertans - it's all still there.

I've always said people pay attention to things that affect them; that's why municipal matters become so important, they are in charge of day-to-day operations that affect the minutia of people's routine more than any other level.

I think you'd find a similar sentiment by most people on the federal level too, even if they they admit to the contrary if a microphone was shoved in their face and asked the same question.

NDP, PC, doesn't matter . . . . Public debt is not a high priority for average Albertans, and don't think any of our provincial leaders forget that.

[Tinordi]

Talking points versus reality.

India is adding 16 GW of renewable electricity this year.

China looks to have peaked its coal consumption and grew renewable energy by 30% with over 80 billion in investment in 2015.

We're already kneecaped because we did nothing as a province on climate policy and punitive actin came back on us. Now electric vehicles, energy efficiency, and the global move to limit carbon out of Paris are going to ensure that the salad days are only a memory.

This is all the doing of people who think like you.

[Slava]

what are/were "the salad days"?

[Resolute 14]

How much is India adding from non-renewable sources, Tinordi?

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Talking points versus reality.

India is adding 16 GW of renewable electricity this year.

China looks to have peaked its coal consumption and grew renewable energy by 30% with over 80 billion in investment in 2015.

We're already kneecaped because we did nothing as a province on climate policy and punitive actin came back on us. Now electric vehicles, energy efficiency, and the global move to limit carbon out of Paris are going to ensure that the salad days are only a memory.

This is all the doing of people who think like you.

I don't know why you throw out some of the statements you do. Renewable energy is obviously growing which no one would argue is anything but good. But a quick Google search will tell you that both China and India are heavily reliant on coal fired power plants and they continue to build new ones. It's unfortunate but true.

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

How much is India adding from non-renewable sources, Tinordi?

2012 scientific American article has 455 coal plants producing 513 GW. Don't have a link handy but it's near the top on Google.

[Fuzz]

Southeast Asia is adding 205 gigawatts of coal overall by 2020, one of the most intense periods of coal-plant construction ever.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...powered-future

[Tinordi]

India is adding no new coal this year.

South East Asia is not India. India will build coal yes, but the context is completely different. India has a target of 175 GW of new renewable energy bright online by 2022. Canada's hydro capacity built over the last hundred years? 75 GW.

It is a total lie that other major emitters are not doing anything.

[GaiJin]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

India is adding no new coal this year.

South East Asia is not India. India will build coal yes, but the context is completely different. India has a target of 175 GW of new renewable energy bright online by 2022. Canada's hydro capacity built over the last hundred years? 75 GW.

It is a total lie that other major emitters are not doing anything.

You are always trying to promote the total end of carbon as a present day truth, by saying things in tidbit half truths. Talk about context, compare it to our situation, India is not banning coal and putting an total end on it, they will have it around to supplement, and renewables is taking some of the load. However they are reducing seaborn coal imports, and at the same time doubling domestic coal production. India has a target of 175 GW is like Obama patting himself on the back now for mileage targets in 2025.
Yes other states are doing somethings, but not at near the pace or severity being proposed here.

[Fuzz]

Where do you get your information?
http://www.powerengineeringint.com/a...r-by-2017.html
I love how you make statements that never have a link to back them up. Maybe you need to find a new podcast that doesn't tell you lies.

[Tinordi]

Show me one source that says that India will add any new coal capacity in 2016. That was my statement.

And the point is not that they're adding coal or not, the point is that they're doing a lot more on reducing GHG emissions than you patently false assertion that major emitters aren't doing anything therefore Canada shouldn't do anything either.



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[Fuzz]

Uhm, I just did? Try clicking the link. Here, some more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTPC_Limited
Do you have ANY sources for your statement? That might help the discussion.

As far as I know Canada isn't adding any new coal capacity. Is India adding renewables? Absolutely, not denying that. But they are also adding coal and not shutting down existing ones. They are simply increasing their overall generating capacity by adding renewables, not replacing coal with them. They certainly aren't proposing a carbon tax, either.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I don't know why you throw out some of the statements you do. Renewable energy is obviously growing which no one would argue is anything but good. But a quick Google search will tell you that both China and India are heavily reliant on coal fired power plants and they continue to build new ones. It's unfortunate but true.

We will see about coal in China, it's likely that their coal consumption peaked in 2015.

Anyway apologies for derailing this thread.

To emphasize my original intervention, climate change impacts are going to be a potentially significant new stress on the provincial finances.

[Fuzz]

There you go again, making a blanket statement with no facts or discussion to back it up. WHY are climate change impacts going to be a potentially significant new stress on the provincial finances?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Show me one source that says that India will add any new coal capacity in 2016. That was my statement.

That wasn't my question though.

So lets just put this another way. Please provide a link that shows the total production in India from all sources and what they are planning/building into the future.

And if you aren't going to provide a link, you may as well just not bother.