Militia Seizes Federal Compound in Oregon

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Pretty obvious this is an example of jury nullification.

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And people wonder why we have to have a black lives matter movement in this country???

On one hand you have armed white guys openly take over government property with tons of loaded weapons. Only after weeks of inaction was there any sort of altercation.

On the other hand, black men are regularly shot while being unarmed. In Tulsa, we have had 2 media worthy incidents in the last couple years: Eric Bates was murdered by a pay for play volunteer deputy that didn't know what he was doing and Terence Crutcher who was under the influence of drugs but was unarmed with his hands up and ended up dead.

So we have these militia clowns that now have carte blanche to do what they want, and we have black men that get killed because of things like being high or broken taillights, etc.

America is broken.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by dobbles

So we have these militia clowns that now have carte blanche to do what they want,

Maybe. Ammon Bundy still needs to stand trial in Nevada. And I would bet the DA out there is going to do a much better job at scrutinizing potential jury members to avoid a repeat of this.

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Do most countries still do jury trials? They seem rather archaic to me. Let's round up 12 people with no legal expertise and have them interpret the law to see if someone is guilty or not.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Do most countries still do jury trials? They seem rather archaic to me. Let's round up 12 people with no legal expertise and have them interpret the law to see if someone is guilty or not.

I think most countries still do but its optional based on what the accused want right?

I don't know where I stands because a jury can tend to blunt the cold hard interpretation of the law with humanity I guess.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by dobbles

So we have these militia clowns that now have carte blanche to do what they want, and we have black men that get killed because of things like being high or broken taillights, etc.

America is broken.

Or a bunch of unarmed, indigenous protesters having the #### kicked out of them right now in North Dakota.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Or a bunch of unarmed, indigenous protesters having the #### kicked out of them right now in North Dakota.

I wish they would be more forceful here sometimes. Instead we baby and allow any type of public disobedience to halt lawful and legal activity. What results is what you see in BC, random groups blocking a project that is of benefit to all Canadians based on whatever special interest that group has.

Not saying water rights aren't important but this action in ND is illegal. That doesn't mean they need their head kicked in. Just means they have to be ready to be forcefully removed. It happened in Vietnam and it is happening now. Ultimately the public and history will decide what was right, but for now these people are breaking the law. Their not completely innocent people the police are just randomly brutalizing.

Now we can discuss the larger context of law and treaty rights in the USA, but in this context the are putting up a road block and police as far as I can see properly allowing an organization that is law abiding to do its work.

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Originally Posted by OldDutch

I wish they would be more forceful here sometimes. Instead we baby and allow any type of public disobedience to halt lawful and legal activity. What results is what you see in BC, random groups blocking a project that is of benefit to all Canadians based on whatever special interest that group has.

Not saying water rights aren't important but this action in ND is illegal. That doesn't mean they need their head kicked in. Just means they have to be ready to be forcefully removed. It happened in Vietnam and it is happening now. Ultimately the public and history will decide what was right, but for now these people are breaking the law. Their not completely innocent people the police are just randomly brutalizing.

Now we can discuss the larger context of law and treaty rights in the USA, but in this context the are putting up a road block and police as far as I can see properly allowing an organization that is law abiding to do its work.

Uhhh what? Civil disobedience and peaceful protest are essential in a democratic society. Waiting for history to decide what's right is a recipe for keeping the status quo.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Uhhh what? Civil disobedience and peaceful protest are essential in a democratic society. Waiting for history to decide what's right is a recipe for keeping the status quo.

Absolutely correct, but you do still have to arrest the protesters, even if they're peaceful, if they're breaking the law. It's not like there's an exception to the criminal code for illegal activity conducted in the course of political expression.

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Absolutely correct, but you do still have to arrest the protesters, even if they're peaceful, if they're breaking the law. It's not like there's an exception to the criminal code for illegal activity conducted in the course of political expression.

Sure, but we can still point out the discrepancies between the responses to the Oregon militia dudes and the indigenous protesters.

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