[PGT] Flames lose 4-2 in Game 4. Ducks lead series 3-1. Brink of elimination

[heep223]

Both of those calls to give us a 5 on 3 in the 3rd period were pretty weak. The one on Brodie was a pretty big embellishment.

[ScorchyScorch]

There shouldn't have been any penalties in that third period aside from fighting majors or misconducts, in my honest opinion.

2-2 tie to end the 2nd, crucial game. PUT THE WHISTLES AWAY. let the players decide it you dopes, jesus.

now go and avenge it with the curse breaker.

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by heep223

Both of those calls to give us a 5 on 3 in the 3rd period were pretty weak. The one on Brodie was a pretty big embellishment.

I actually don't remember the Brodie one now (beers were flowing), but the one on Gaudreau is a penalty 11 times out of 10. Can't take your hand off your stick and grab the player's arm like that.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by heep223

Both of those calls to give us a 5 on 3 in the 3rd period were pretty weak. The one on Brodie was a pretty big embellishment.

Yep, Brodie could have/should have been called for a dive imo.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by heep223

Both of those calls to give us a 5 on 3 in the 3rd period were pretty weak. The one on Brodie was a pretty big embellishment.

The first penalty against Anaheim was a game management call. If the officials hadn't been completely one-sided in the first 50 minutes, that probably gets let go. But with powerplays at 4-0, they decided to make a pretense of evening up. It was a chintzy call, but no worse than what Anaheim was given. The second penalty was a must-call, however. That hold directly created a major scoring opportunity for Anaheim, possibly a breakaway. Unless Furlatt and the other guy wanted to pretty much openly admit they bet on the Ducks, there is no way they could let that one go.

[ReinhartonD]

I don't normally jump on the blame the refs bandwagon, but Perry being allowed to blatantly take out Brodie, the Ducks being allowed to run Ramo, tons of Kesler and Perry interference...

Some point out that since the Ducks didn't score on the second of Colborne's double minor, it didn't have an impact--not necessarily true. That's two minutes that they're unlikely to get a goal themselves, so it's not just not getting a goal against that matters.

I also don't believe once momentum has been taken away by bad or non-calls that an even-up penalty makes it all good.

It was interesting when they showed the verbal battle between Ramo and Ferlatt that happened during a commercial break. They said Ferlatt was giving it to Ramo--seems to be the new NHL model, as Prust discovered (and probably regrets talking about). Don't want to see Ferlatt in this series again.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Yep, Brodie could have/should have been called for a dive imo.

Sure, and if you call that, then the Flames deserved about a dozen extra power plays throughout the series.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by JayP

Clearly the series supervisor had a major impact on tonight's game after the Duck's were whining heavily about the powerplay discrepancy in game 3. It's pretty ridiculous that there's no shock when the refs magically decide to stop calling penalties tonight after a powerplay filled game. It's as if they are explicitly told too. The idea of a "series supervisor" is actually kind of insulting. If the refs are competent enough to be in the playoffs then why not let them go out there and call the game as they see it? Why do they need some league cronie dictating their decisions?

Game's like tonight's make you hard to appreciate the integrity of the NHL. We've all seen plenty of playoff games where the refs decide to just put the whistles away and "let the players play". It's quite evident that this decision isn't made by the actual refs, but above. But the blatantly obvious issue with this to anyone with some semblance of intelligence is the fact that certain penalties (high stick, delay of game, too many men) are deemed black & white by the league and continue to be called as such after they dictate that the refs should put the whistles away. If they want to "let the players play" and let Corey Perry take dangerous runs at our goaltender and charging & interference penalties then why the hell is every high stick a penalty and a marginal too many men a penalty? Why are some penalties acceptable to not be called (and actually celebrated by idiot analysts), but some aren't?

The entire system is flawed. There's not a single other professional sport that operates like this. In the 4th quarter of NFL playoff games, do you see the refs not call pass interference and holding calls, but only call offsides penalties because it's a black/white call? The sheer notion of it is ridiculous. But that's how the NHL operates and it has a major impact of playoff games and series.

The laughable part is that after they "manage" the game they throw one powerplay the Flames way and then dictate that everything is evened up. Unfortunately that's not how pro sports work - the damage is already done and the entire flow and course of the game has already been altered. What happens if the Flames score on one of those obvious penalties that would've been called a month ago? How the league calls it's games needs a major overhaul and the problem is a hell of a lot deeper than solely tonight's game.

Yup, couldn't have said it better. I love the Flames, I love hockey and I love cheering for my favorite players. But the NHL is a joke. Everyone knows it, but there is nothing anyone can do since it has the world's best teams/players.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

There shouldn't have been any penalties in that third period aside from fighting majors or misconducts, in my honest opinion.

2-2 tie to end the 2nd, crucial game. PUT THE WHISTLES AWAY. let the players decide it you dopes, jesus.

now go and avenge it with the curse breaker.

I disagree. If something is in the rule books as a penalty and you play 82 regular season games with that rule, then it should be the same in the playoffs.

I am pretty sure the only reason they do this is because in the regular season with a limited OT and a SO, there is a rough guarantee on how long a game will last. In the playoffs, there is no guarantee that a will fit in that 2-2.5 hours timeslot, so the refs make fewer calls to have fewer stoppages. I don't buy the whole "let the players decide until they are almost breaking each other's neck" argument.

[Hackey]

The penalty that should have never been called was the Colborne one. Johnny could have thrown a harder hit than that and at the end of the period of all times what was he thinking? Then cross checks buddy in the face to top it off. That one play likely lost us the game, series, and season.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Sure, and if you call that, then the Flames deserved about a dozen extra power plays throughout the series.

I don't disagree. I'm the first to admit the calls and non-calls have been horribly inconsistent for both teams, last night being a prime example.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The penalty that should have never been called was the Colborne one. Johnny could have thrown a harder hit than that and at the end of the period of all times what was he thinking? Then cross checks buddy in the face to top it off. That one play likely lost us the game, series, and season.

If Colborne rides his stick up into a guy's face , right in front of the ref he deserves the penalty.

I'd want a penalty if it was reversed.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Yoho

If Colborne rides his stick up into a guy's face , right in front of the ref he deserves the penalty.

I'd want a penalty if it was reversed.

The penalty was obvious and 100% deserved. Reason I said it should have never happened was because it was that dumb of a play. There is no reason he needs to throw his weak little "hit" as the period is ending. Then try's to rub the guy out for what? (pause) Maybe because he was trying to make up for his sorry excuse for a hit. Some low IQ there that cost us huge.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Is Perry above the law? does he have compromising pictures of every ref? for years this moron has ran goalies, ran interference, etc. and never goes punished. he is also the king of embellishment, always skating around holding his wrist if there might have been a slash or checking his face if he feels he could have been high sticked and the refs bite every time! it drives me crazy, the guy is such a punk and seems to have every ref in his pocket.

[BigErnSalute_16]

This team has already passed the test of eliminating someone, now they have a new test of battling back from elimination, and I am excited to see how they do on the other side of an elimination game. Win or lose this next game is going to do wonders developmentally for our young guys.

[hockey.modern]

Poor Big Joe, I know it was his fault for this game but, just looking at him in the post-game interview it was like he was going to cry.

[puffnstuff]

Well if Beauchemin was a regular sized defenseman that isnt a high stick...

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Is Perry above the law? does he have compromising pictures of every ref? for years this moron has ran goalies, ran interference, etc. and never goes punished. he is also the king of embellishment, always skating around holding his wrist if there might have been a slash or checking his face if he feels he could have been high sticked and the refs bite every time! it drives me crazy, the guy is such a punk and seems to have every ref in his pocket.

Perry has the same shield Dustin Brown has with the Kings: He plays in metro LA, where the league wants good teams in the hopes of good ratings.

[polak]

I have a feeling we will win game 5. This is no longer the team that doesn't stand a chance. We completely beat ourselves tonight.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Perry has the same shield Dustin Brown has with the Kings: He plays in metro LA, where the league wants good teams in the hopes of good ratings.