I see that the sociology profs are out in full force now. No point in arguing with them on any issue related to sexuality, feminism or gender roles. They want to live in a fantasy world where people don’t sexualize anything, where females are equal in every single way (ask them and females should be competing with men in sports too) and you’re a monster for dressing your kid in pink or blue.
You CANNOT convince them that anything but a world like this is okay. I wanted to blow my brains out in Sociology class and I got an A! But I guess getting an A is pretty easy when all you have to do is tell the prof exactly what he wants to hear.
I see that the sociology profs are out in full force now. No point in arguing with them on any issue related to sexuality, feminism or gender roles. They want to live in a fantasy world where people don’t sexualize anything, where females are equal in every single way (ask them and females should be competing with men in sports too) and you’re a monster for dressing your kid in pink or blue.
You CANNOT convince them that anything but a world like this is okay. I wanted to blow my brains out in Sociology class and I got an A! But I guess getting an A is pretty easy when all you have to do is tell the prof exactly what he wants to hear.
I see that the sociology profs are out in full force now. No point in arguing with them on any issue related to sexuality, feminism or gender roles. They want to live in a fantasy world where people don’t sexualize anything, where females are equal in every single way (ask them and females should be competing with men in sports too) and you’re a monster for dressing your kid in pink or blue.
You CANNOT convince them that anything but a world like this is okay. I wanted to blow my brains out in Sociology class and I got an A! But I guess getting an A is pretty easy when all you have to do is tell the prof exactly what he wants to hear.
Who are "they" and "them"?
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Fire and Ice girls wear skimpy clothes because men like looking at ladies like that, and in turn enjoy the game more, and thus come to more games. Flames make more money and pay the woemn appropriate amounts to act as sexualized objects.
Its all business baby.
Of course. The Flames are making the bet that it's better for business to play to men's base instincts as part of the entertainment package at the dome at the risk of alienating a smaller number (probably mostly female fans). Given it's professional sports, that's an easy bet. My wife made the comment - "it seems the Flames value my business less".
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Of course. The Flames are making the bet that it's better for business to play to men's base instincts as part of the entertainment package at the dome at the risk of alienating a smaller number (probably mostly female fans). Given it's professional sports, that's an easy bet. My wife made the comment - "it seems the Flames value my business less".
..Something reeks of insecurities here. Does your wife make the same comments at restaurants, shopping malls or anywhere else where a attractive female is working?
Any female I have been with at flames games enjoy the Fire & Ice girls as much as I do. Stop making this into something it is not. What don't you get, the Flames value MONEY. Whether its coming from a male or a female it doesn't matter, they are a business.
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so here comes the Captain on the politically incorrect train, toot toot.
I'm not buying that this is some kind of sexualization of these girls for profit. I'm sorry maybe that makes me old, maybe that makes me somehow perverse. But first and foremost the comparison between the F and I girls and Hooters girls in my opinion is a bit ludicrous.
Hooters girls dress in a really over sexualized manner, Their outfits are absolutely designed to be sexy and elicit a certain response.
oh and I'll put spoiler tags around this so I don't upset anyone.
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Admit it, you're not here to stare at the Chicken Wings.
In terms of the marketing concept with Hooters, they dress these girls up in provocative outfits and then train these girls to flirt at an incredible level with their male customers, sit with them and almost have pupil to pupil relations with them. That's sexualization, whether its exploitation or not is a debate for a whole other thread. But there's no doubt why people go to Hooters and its not for their below average food or watered down beer.
For the Fire and Ice Girls, are the uniforms sexy? Sure, but no more sexy then I see when I go to the gym or walk down the 8th avenue mall. Lets take a look, and I'll spoiler tag it not to offend.
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"Damn this really upsets me" stated the 18th century small town fire and brimestone preacher "I cast you into hell"
Now last time I checked, the Fire and Ice girls were shoveling err ice, they weren't dancing around the ice making flirtatious dance moves making long eye contact with fans. I mean seriously how many people are buying tickets to the game to watch these girls shovel ice?
Its adding a little color and flash to the game but its not a primary, omg the Flames are marketing smut.
If the lady that wrote that letter was angry about this, she must be furious about
err spoiler tags to protect the innocent
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Ed Grimley loves this pose
Someone is gonna need a smoke in the audience
I mean seriously those figure skaters don't need to dress up in koochie wear and have long looks at the audience while exposing themselves.
I mean lets get serious, I doubt that the Flames see any kind of down tick like "Hey you know Billy, the Fire and Ice Girls are going to be wearing pants next year instead of shorts", "Well that's it Jack I'm cancelling my tickets".
These girls are willing to do this, they aren't spinning around poles while skating around in overly lust inducing outfits, they're skating around and clearing snow.
The lady who wrote the letter has a really big problem if she's offended by the Fire and Ice girls and think its corrupting girls and young children everywhere.
Its not a central marketing concept for the Flames where they're selling sex to get you to the game.
The whole thing is quite silly and stupid, and some people are getting so caught in the external reputation of looking like a crusader for all that's good and respectful and all that in the world that they've actually gone over the line to a near puritan mind set. "Oh my god won't some one think of the children"
Maybe we should go back to.
oh wait Spoiler tags to not upset
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This picture taken 20 seconds before being arrested for exposed ankles.
Believe it or not those days this picture was bedroom material for males between the ages of 11 and 25
and maybe we should have the fire and ice girls replaced by
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Fire and ice, you come on like a flame
Then you turn cold shoulder
Fire and ice, I wanna give you my love
You'll just take a little piece of my heart
Because beware of the female body and the power to offend anyone.
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Of course. The Flames are making the bet that it's better for business to play to men's base instincts as part of the entertainment package at the dome at the risk of alienating a smaller number (probably mostly female fans). Given it's professional sports, that's an easy bet. My wife made the comment - "it seems the Flames value my business less".
This. As a female fan of the Flames, it definitely feels like the organization values it's male fans more than females when they have the F&I girls in their little outfits out there flaunting their "assets". While their male counterparts doing the same job are in full track suits.
Not saying I want to see males in tight shorts and half tops scraping ice either because I don't see how that would add to the game experience for the entire fan base either. So for the most part I ignore them out there. Every now and then I will happen to see one of them bent over at the waist, ass out, pointing my direction, while picking up pucks after warmup. That's not something I want to see...but that's probably just me.
I and I think most women have become masters at ignoring the "objectifying of women" that is thrown in our faces everywhere we look. Sadly it's just part of the norm.
So yeah, personally I am not a fan of the F&I girls, but they also don't deter me from going to watch hockey games at the dome. I guess the Flames have bet correctly playing to men's basic instincts.
This. As a female fan of the Flames, it definitely feels like the organization values it's male fans more than females when they have the F&I girls in their little outfits out there flaunting their "assets". While their male counterparts doing the same job are in full track suits.
Not saying I want to see males in tight shorts and half tops scraping ice either because I don't see how that would add to the game experience for the entire fan base either. So for the most part I ignore them out there. Every now and then I will happen to see one of them bent over at the waist, ass out, pointing my direction, while picking up pucks after warmup. That's not something I want to see...but that's probably just me.
I and I think most women have become masters at ignoring the "objectifying of women" that is thrown in our faces everywhere we look. Sadly it's just part of the norm.
So yeah, personally I am not a fan of the F&I girls, but they also don't deter me from going to watch hockey games at the dome. I guess the Flames have bet correctly playing to men's basic instincts.
Yeah that's fair, but do you think you're in any poisiton to tell those girls that they shouldn't do that? Clearly they want to. They enjoy it and they're not dressed any differently then most girls their age at the mall. For all you know they work really hard on looking good and they want to show it off?
In before the "The fact that they feel that they need to look like that is a major problem with society" comments... I will never agree with that notion.
Yeah that's fair, but do you think you're in any poisiton to tell those girls that they shouldn't do that? Clearly they want to. They enjoy it and they're not dressed any differently then most girls their age at the mall. For all you know they work really hard on looking good and they want to show it off?
Personally I have 2 female friends that used to be strippers, made excellent money, and partied lots when they were young enough to flaunt it. If you ask them today their feelings about the lifestyle they chose? They'd tell you they loved it. I know F&I girls are not even in the same discussion as stripping, but they are in a way selling their assets too. I don't know any of the F&I girls but in a free country like Canada I assume they also enjoy it otherwise why would they do it?
So no, I don't think society has the right to tell them they can't or shouldn't but as a fan and a female I can definitely voice my opinion that I don't enjoy them and that I feel the Flames pander to male fans when they employ them.
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What this really is is a personal free will debate. Most posters, myself included, believe that grown ass women can take whatever legal job they'd like. And many of these poster know girls who have worked as cheerleaders and f and I girls and enjoyed the job
The vocal minority is taking the viewpoint that the fire and ice girls are simply mouthbreathing idiots who are being exploited by a sexist society and have no personal free will
I'm okay with women choosing to be strippers, if that's how they want to pay the bills. But we're not talking about that - we're talking about what we want to see at a Flames game.
Let me ask you this: If the girls and women who sell popcorn and snacks at the Saddledome concessions decided they wanted to be able to wear bikini tops while performing their job in the hopes of getting more tips, would you be cool with that? Do you think the Saddledome board would be cool with that?
And as I said before, I'm not going to get all worked up over the Fire & Ice Girls because they won't be around much longer. The corporate world has changed. Anything remotely sexual is being expunged from all but the most traditional male-dominated workplaces, and professional sporting events today are largely an extension of the corporate world.
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Let me ask you this: If the girls and women who sell popcorn and snacks at the Saddledome concessions decided they wanted to be able to wear bikini tops while performing their job in the hopes of getting more tips, would you be cool with that? Do you think the Saddledome board would be cool with that?
I'd be cool with that.
How many people/guys walk onto the concourse during intermissions etc. subconsiously excited, because they know they are going to be viewing some hot puck bunnies, that took the time and effort to look good and get noticed?
I know I do, and always have. I remember going to Junior A games in southern Ontario when I was just entering my teens, and that was a lot of the exceitment about going to hockey games.
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This. As a female fan of the Flames, it definitely feels like the organization values it's male fans more than females
Although it's not my intention to Sliver the thread here, if I was in Flames management I'd definitely value my male fans more than female, because there's more of them. (Anecdotally invalid evidence ahead) Of guys I know, almost everyone loves hockey, and of women, maybe half. When I go to a game, it's around two thirds guys in attendance. When I watch on TV, the majority of ads are clearly aimed at men, for manly stuff like greasy burgers, trucks, and sprays designed to minimize or mask dude-stank.
Pretty well all professional team sports are the same - played by men, watched by men more than women. I doubt that will ever change unless women's team sports become as popular as men's. A young girl might idolize a player, but a young boy can (however unrealistically) dream of BEING that player, which has a far more profound appeal.
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