[Signing] Canucks sign Vrbata (2yrs, $5mil AAV, limited NTC)

[FAN]

What does diving, whining, trade demand, have to do with a player's leadership, toughness, and desire to win? It really can be the same thing depending on your point of view. Case in point: Martin St. Louis.

I always find it funny when a fan thinks that a player is somehow undesirable just because they have a tendency to dive and whine. Sidney Crosby? No way any GM would want him on the team.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I realize that it's upsetting for Canuck fans to read my opinion...

I can't be the only non-Canucks fan who also finds your posts and opinions borderline insufferable. Please stop. Most of us here loathe the Canucks, but we don't need to fabricate things out of thin air, nor do we need to invent character assassinations of players from anecdotes and innuendo.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

While it's really clear you have blinders on and a deep underlaying insecurity about all of the things I'm saying ringing true, you're also very slow to understand. Either that, or you're being purposely obtuse.

That's sort of a weird thing to say for someone who hasn't really done much to this point to establish his case in the way of actual evidence. In almost any other venue, Blaster's generally mundane ideas about the pretext of the Kesler trade would actually tend to crush your conspiracy theory blather.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Some teams (who I feel are in error) might have wanted Kessler, but those teams aren't made up around a core of soft, emasculated divers. Vancouver is...

So, which teams are these who were "in error"? Anaheim, Pittsburgh, Chicago? There were reports of more than a dozen teams making inquiries. Are all of them wrong about Kesler?

No, this looks much more like the myopic ramblings of a jaded Jets fan suffering the effects of a well developed inferiority complex than anything resembling useful information about a hockey player or team.

You should know that I really, REALLY hate the Canucks. Go ahead, check my posting history which is often spotted by borderline irrational hatred for the team on the Left Coast. I also really hate Kesler, and have often been happy to relish in the hilarity that often ensues from his antics. It practically pains me to type this post, but you drove me to it. For all his faults, Kesler is a good hockey player by practically every metric. It is just silly to attempt to suggest otherwise. Will the Canucks miss him? Hell yes. Will the Ducks suffer for having signed him? I seriously doubt it, since he provides a pretty healthy upgrade for their second line even despite his reputation for poor sportsmanship and diving.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

While it's really clear you have blinders on and a deep underlaying insecurity about all of the things I'm saying ringing true, you're also very slow to understand. Either that, or you're being purposely obtuse.

Wat. I don't have insecurity about anything. It's just a wrong assessment. What you are saying in regards to Kesler and why he was traded is wrong.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Vancouver is. That's why I suggest it was on Benning's agenda to wash his hands of Kessler rather than try to keep him.

Or it's what Benning said: "We don't want players who don't want to be here."

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

The fact you went so far as to justify his quitting on the team and chalking up that pouting as "having a winning" attitude tells me all I need to know about you and the lengths you'll go to in order to keep those blinders on. The prolong formatting of responses saying nothing dripping with sarcasm and hyperbole are just the icing on the cake.

I didn't say he had a winning attitude. He has a #### attitude and is all about winning. But he walks the walk on the latter and will sell out his body and cheat to win for his team.

My responses are to make it easier to respond to and read. My sarcasm is because that is how I respond to most things. Hyperbole is because go big or go home.

[GoJetsGo]

Having a **** attitude and cheating is par for the course and exactly what I'm talking about.

Again, I'm suggesting it's addition for subtraction *for Vancouver* to remove him from their roster because they - more than any other team in the league - suffer from an influx of problems related to character.

It's a really simple point, and a subjective one at that.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, this looks much more like the myopic ramblings of a jaded Jets fan suffering the effects of a well developed inferiority complex than anything resembling useful information about a hockey player or team.

And for the record, I've been a Flames fan longer than I've been a Jets fan. I grew up a Jets fan as a child but moved to Calgary the year the Jets absolved. Have been a Flames fan foremost ever since. So your notion here is incorrect.

[Completely]

So much hate, back to the Vrbata signing.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Having a **** attitude and cheating is par for the course and exactly what I'm talking about.

No, what you're talking about is that the Canucks got rid of him for these reasons. The argument was never that he had these qualities, that was agreed upon by everyone.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Again, I'm suggesting it's addition for subtraction *for Vancouver* to remove him from their roster because they - more than any other team in the league - suffer from an influx of problems related to character.

No, what you were suggesting is that Benning moved him because he saw it as addition by subtraction and that it was because Benning was a "smart hockey mind" and saw Kesler as a detriment to the team because he dives, cries and murders puppies.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It's a really simple point, and a subjective one at that.

Except that the original point we were arguing is not subjective at all. Benning's first business was to attempt to convince Kesler to stay. This was reported by a couple of the TSN guys after the hire. This quote seems to confirm that:

“He just felt he needed a fresh start, and quite frankly, we don’t want somebody that doesn’t want to be here,” Benning said. “We would have liked to have kept him, but his mind was made up, so we did the best we could in the situation.”

In the end, he was traded because he wanted to leave. Not because Benning disliked the diving or dickishness, but because he said "I want out."

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

No, what you're talking about is that the Canucks got rid of him for these reasons. The argument was never that he had these qualities, that was agreed upon by everyone.



No, what you were suggesting is that Benning moved him because he saw it as addition by subtraction and that it was because Benning was a "smart hockey mind" and saw Kesler as a detriment to the team because he dives, cries and murders puppies.



Except that the original point we were arguing is not subjective at all. Benning's first business was to attempt to convince Kesler to stay. This was reported by a couple of the TSN guys after the hire. This quote seems to confirm that:



In the end, he was traded because he wanted to leave. Not because Benning disliked the diving or dickishness, but because he said "I want out."

I don't expect Benning would have thrown him under the bus. That would have been a very Kessler-esque thing to do, and again, wanting out was further evidence of his complete lack of character.

And while you tried to pawn off some of his antics as justifiable, evil1 wanted evidence like the idea of Kessler being a rat was a foreign concept to him.

[Karl]

This GoJetsGo really reminds me of another poster who used to be here.

Captain_Obvious, anyone?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

And for the record, I've been a Flames fan longer than I've been a Jets fan. I grew up a Jets fan as a child but moved to Calgary the year the Jets absolved. Have been a Flames fan foremost ever since. So your notion here is incorrect.

So then, myopic ramblings of a jaded Flames fan suffering the effects of a well developed inferiority complex? It honestly doesn't matter one way or the other. Your posts in this thread are still equally terrible.

[Galakanokis]

Benning's only involvement in the Kesler trade was to facilitate it. He didn't initiate it or want it. What I do know (and I know this as fact) is that the room and Kesler were torn. When the rumors first started about Kesler wanting out, and believe me, these things go around the building long before the media gets a hold of them, he bold faced lied to the rest of the team on more then one occasion about wanting out. He quit on them and the guys knew it. Regardless of the return there was no way Kesler was walking back into the canucks' dressing room. In this case I do believe it is addition by subtraction but not for the reasons mentioned above in the incessant ramblings.

The canucks organization is in a better place than it was 4 or 5 months ago. The Weisbrod hiring not withstanding the recent hirings are nothing but positive, don't under estimate Linden and I think Benning was an excellent hire. It's the team better than the one that tanked and for awhile looked like the worst team in the NHL? Yes they are. Are they better in the long run? No. They need some major home runs in the past couple of drafts and the next ones to not fall flat.

My loathing for canucks runs deep make no mistake but I can also call a spade a spade.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Karl

This GoJetsGo really reminds me of another poster who used to be here.

Captain_Obvious, anyone?

Don't think so actually. That guy was much more rude and quicker with the personal attacks. GoJetsGo is arguing his points passionately, but without the condescending and often insulting tone Captain Obvious masterfully wove into replies.

[Vinny01]

The Canucks are destined to be a treadmill team for the next 3-4 years however if at that time they decide to do a full rebuild it should not take too long to be back in contention.

The current roster is still pretty old but their are transition pieces playing on the team. Edler, Tanev, Sbisa on the back end are all still under 30. Kassian, Vey, Bonino up front. As they battle for 7-10 in the next 3-4 years they will be adding talent in the 10-16 pick range. If 2-3 of Horvat, Virtanen, Shinkaurak, McCann, Jensen, Gaunce, Corrado pan out they might only need 1-2 years picking in the top 5 to bounce back. They might not even need any years of total bottoming out.

Having said that if they moved out a couple more vets and continued down the path of a full rebuild I think they would be better for it

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I agree with the above post completely, the fact is that the Canucks are not a very good team, I think that they are better than their record indicated last year, but they are in many ways like the Flames in 2010-11. Their locker room was (is?) divided; they just got rid of a long term GM and a short term coach; their star players are starting to get long in the tooth but can't be moved because they mean more to the team and the community (not to mention ticket sales) than just their performance on the ice, plus the optics are horrible if you sign someone to an extension and then trade them right after. At the end of the day they do have some good young players, but not enough of them and they don't seem to project to be elite players that are required in order to be a championship team. Having no real insight into prospects having not seen any of them play with any regularity, I won't pretend to know how their career trajectory is, however I think that there are a lot of people whose top end seems to be second line players.

They will be hard pressed to make the playoffs next year but worse things have happened.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So then, myopic ramblings of a jaded Flames fan suffering the effects of a well developed inferiority complex? It honestly doesn't matter one way or the other. Your posts in this thread are still equally terrible.

Yea, that must be it. How will I sleep at night knowing that's how you feel?

Inferiority complex is a good one. I would rather the Flames finish last place than see success playing with the kind of antics Vancouver has employed these last few seasons.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Canucks are destined to be a treadmill team for the next 3-4 years however if at that time they decide to do a full rebuild it should not take too long to be back in contention.

Once you go into a rebuild there are no guarantees when you will ever get back into contention. Some get lucky and turn it around within 2-3 years but many get stuck in long droughts like the Oilers, Panthers, Leafs, etc. We still don't really have a good idea of when the Flames will be challenging for a playoff spot again.