07-12-2014, 12:49 AM
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#241
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by BigTuna
Great deal for 1 million. for 9 million over 3? Not so much.
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who did they replace him with???
Oh right, everyone here in toronto is absolutely certain that clarkson's crap year last year was a a complete fluke and that he's a perennial 20 goal guy, and will be that and more next season.
Last edited by bubbsy; 07-12-2014 at 01:11 AM.
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07-12-2014, 12:54 AM
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#242
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
Great deal for 1 million. for 9 million over 3? Not so much.
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Compared to whom?
Komarov at 12 million over 4?
Likely a steal, compared to that. Raymond had more points last year than Komarov has played career NHL games.
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07-12-2014, 01:23 AM
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#243
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by SHOGUN
Is Raymond a two way player?
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He is fine defensively. His problem is that he is weak so he can easily get overpowered and fail to tie up his man or take the man out of the play.
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07-12-2014, 01:37 AM
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#244
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
Great deal for 1 million. for 9 million over 3? Not so much.
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It's a great deal at 1M because he's a 3M dollar hockey player in this economic reality.
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07-12-2014, 07:26 AM
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#245
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Draft Pick
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I liked Raymond even when he was in Vancouver. Not sure where some poster think your going to get a 20-20 veteran with great speed for a million, that's an entry level deal basically.
I don't think that Vans downward spiral was completely anomalous to Raymond leaving.
Raymond is a very good player and I for one am glad to see him come here, and not just so he stops scoring on us.
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07-12-2014, 08:41 AM
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#246
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Glastonbury
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I think this fits the plan perfectly, good signing.
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07-12-2014, 08:50 AM
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#247
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
Great deal for 1 million. for 9 million over 3? Not so much.
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Really?
You are still going on about this factually incorrect nonsense?
Why are you ignoring the reality of this?
The money the Flames gave him DOES NOT MATTER. Even if it dod however...how is it anything but market value for a 50 pt forward?
The Flames are sitting with the lowest payroll in the league right now...so it makes no difference what he is making for the next 3 years and wont matter even at the end of it. This has been explained repeatedly to you.
Jeezuz you have this trolling crap down to an art.
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07-12-2014, 09:28 PM
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#248
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First Line Centre
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Maybe I am missing something in BigTuna's posting history, but I think you guys are taking BigTuna's post way out of context. He responded to the question of why Toronto didn't re-sign Raymond. Personally I don't think it is because Raymond wanted $3M for 3 years but because the Leafs needed to make changes. Regardless, what's wrong with saying $3M for 3 years is not a great deal? It may be fair value but it's hardly a great deal.
Like I said before, Raymond is a good player to have on a nonplayoff team as he provides speed and skill but he doesn't make the team harder to play against.
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07-12-2014, 09:32 PM
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#249
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by FAN
Maybe I am missing something in BigTuna's posting history.
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This times a million.
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07-12-2014, 09:33 PM
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#250
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Not sure
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Big Tuna won.
He has really got you guys worked up.
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07-12-2014, 09:37 PM
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#251
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
Great deal for 1 million. for 9 million over 3? Not so much.
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How's that Phaneuf contract looking?
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07-13-2014, 07:38 AM
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#252
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce
Compared to whom?
Komarov at 12 million over 4?
Likely a steal, compared to that. Raymond had more points last year than Komarov has played career NHL games.
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Getting Komorov at 1 million was never possible.
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07-13-2014, 07:38 AM
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#253
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
How's that Phaneuf contract looking?
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Fine. He would have obviously gotten 7 million + per as a UFA.
\But of course on this site Dion barely cracks the top 100 NHL D-Man list
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07-13-2014, 07:45 AM
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#254
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
Getting Komorov at 1 million was never possible.
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I'll draw you a map next time
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07-13-2014, 07:53 AM
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#255
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce
I'll draw you a map next time
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Raymond was attainable for a million, so it was a nice deal. You either sign Komorov for 2.95 million or you don't. I also think it's much tougher to find a legit pest like Komorov than a player like Raymond.
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07-13-2014, 07:54 AM
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#256
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
Getting Komorov at 1 million was never possible.
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Niether was getting Raymond at 1 million.
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07-13-2014, 07:59 AM
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#257
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Niether was getting Raymond at 1 million.
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It was for the Leafs which is why I made my original statement.
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07-13-2014, 08:12 AM
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#258
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FAN
Maybe I am missing something in BigTuna's posting history, but I think you guys are taking BigTuna's post way out of context. He responded to the question of why Toronto didn't re-sign Raymond. Personally I don't think it is because Raymond wanted $3M for 3 years but because the Leafs needed to make changes. Regardless, what's wrong with saying $3M for 3 years is not a great deal? It may be fair value but it's hardly a great deal.
Like I said before, Raymond is a good player to have on a nonplayoff team as he provides speed and skill but he doesn't make the team harder to play against.
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Raymond is a western Canadian guy who values playing close to home. Its no secret he's been looking to play for the Flames for a while. Should have happened last year but we'll probably never know why. I'd suspect that the leafs probably wanted him back based on his season last year and why wouldn't they? He chose to be here as a UFA.
He want's to be here, is a solid two way contributor and even if he is making a bit more then he should what does it matter for the flames? Overpaying by 500k isn't going to kill them anymore then it does by overpaying wideman.
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07-13-2014, 08:27 AM
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#259
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Franchise Player
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What a piss match going on. Useless thread.
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07-13-2014, 08:50 AM
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#260
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First Line Centre
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I see Raymond as a replacement for a guy like Stempniak.
Younger, faster, better 2 way player. Its an upgrade.
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