[Rumour] Buffalo's and Florida's 1st round picks are in play

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

So does Buffalo want the same return as the Panthers do for their pick? I think the Flames should go for the 2nd overall pick instead and just pick Ekblad or Reinhart, depending on if Florida wants to pick a forward. Not sure it would be any cheaper than going for the 1st OA.

According to the interview with Sabres assistant GM Kevin Devine Sureloss posted in the Craig Button thread the Sabres haven't even internally seriously talked about moving from #2. From that interview it sounds like they are quite happy with that pick.

[mikephoen]

How about Florida gives us picks 1 and 32 for pick 4 and Sven. Maybe balance it a bit more with a cap dump or lesser prospects added to one or both sides.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

According to the interview with Sabres assistant GM Kevin Devine Sureloss posted in the Craig Button thread the Sabres haven't even internally seriously talked about moving from #2. From that interview it sounds like they are quite happy with that pick.

I forgot to put the word yet in my summary.

In the interview Devine said that the Sabres are having meetings next week and it looks like they are going to discuss a lot of things, like drop offs in prospects, rankings, and whether to move the pick.

[DoubleF]

We have Burke and Treliving working together. If anything happens for 1st, you can probably bet it'll be highway robbery of some sort. If nothing happens, someone probably ridiculously overpaid.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I forgot to put the word yet in my summary.

In the interview Devine said that the Sabres are having meetings next week and it looks like they are going to discuss a lot of things, like drop offs in prospects, rankings, and whether to move the pick.

"Oh the draft is coming? ####. We better start talking about this."

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

How about Florida gives us picks 1 and 32 for pick 4 and Sven. Maybe balance it a bit more with a cap dump or lesser prospects added to one or both sides.

Too much. Sven needs to be part of the solution going forward.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by heep223

"Oh the draft is coming? ####. We better start talking about this."

Seriously. Didn't Burke/Treliving and staff have their scouting meetings the first week of May?

I imagine they'll have another round of discussion after the combine, but for Buffalo two weeks out to draft day is cutting it a little close especially when teams are aggressively pursuing deals.

[Tron_fdc]

This thread has a lot of arguments going on, so apologies if this has been gone over.

If TO is looking to move up, what would you want for our #4?

No way I would trade it personally, but I believe on the Fan they were talking about #8 and Kadri to move up. Even that's not good enough for me.

Kessel and the 8th for #4?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by saXon

I'm also a realist.

I know that the Flames are deep at LW, but are also rebuilding. Sven is near the top with JG as far as LW depth, so why trade away the future at that position?

If Ekblad is the goal, then I'm sure there are other means to achieve that goal. If a team is looking for immediate help, and knowing the Flames are deep on LW, then you offer someone like Hudler or ask GlenX to waive who are both bonafide NHLers and productive LW'ers. Both are quality. Therein solves your problem of Sven being redundant.

No need to trade the future for the future.

You don't seem like a realist at all. You seem like you want the team to go full Oiler while they rebuild, and you never go full Oiler. You need leaders and veterans around to take the pressure off the kids. That means you can't just dump guys like Hudler and Glencross and think you are not going to set the rebuild back. Plus, it is unlikely you are going to get back quality youth for either of those players. The NHL has evolved to where deals are made for players with similar potential or upside. If you want a young stud you need to deal a young stud. That's just the way the league has gone the last few years.

I would also say that your view of Baertschi and his place in our system a little off. I think if you talked to the management of the team they will tell you that several players took substantial steps forward last season and surpassed Sven on the depth chart. I would say that Gaudreau and Granlund both stepped past him and, even with his injury, Ferland is right there as well. Baertschi didn't help his cause much this past season and the performance of other prospects certainly clouds his future with the Flames. He's still a good prospect, but in an organization that just saw an influx of young talent he picked a very bad time to have a poor season. Based on management's comments I'm not so certain he is a player the team is so sure about being part of the future of the team, especially if they can move him for a piece at another position that is part could be part of the future in a bigger way.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

This thread has a lot of arguments going on, so apologies if this has been gone over.

If TO is looking to move up, what would you want for our #4?

No way I would trade it personally, but I believe on the Fan they were talking about #8 and Kadri to move up. Even that's not good enough for me.

Kessel and the 8th for #4?

Lol, Kessel is worth more.. I'd take that deal any day of the week. Pretty sure Kessel will be the new captain once Toronto finds Phaneuf a home, that's why they are trying to trade Phaneuf.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by saXon

Why is Sven always being thrown into trade proposals? It's quite annoying. He's a top prospect.

As has been said, he's being bandied about because he's valuable. Trading a player isn't necessarily a rejection of him - it can be a recognition that you need something else of equal value but different characteristics. In Baertschi's case, you might move him for another top prospect who brings size or defence to the table.

When I think of the most impactful trades the Flames have made, they sent really good players the other way.

[Gaskal]

Kessel + Ritchie/Virtanen for Reinhart/Bennett/Draisaitl? #### yeah.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Lol, Kessel is worth more.. I'd take that deal any day of the week. Pretty sure Kessel will be the new captain once Toronto finds Phaneuf a home, that's why they are trying to trade Phaneuf.

Is he though? Can one of the top 4 turn into a better player?

I really don't know a lot about the Leaf prospects (or even their roster for that matter) so it's just food for thought.

Would we take back a salary dump (Dion), Kessel, their 8th for our 4th and spare parts (or maybe a 2nd)?

Like I said, just making random guesses here, seeing as we love to trade with Toronto, and Burke was just with them....

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Would we take back a salary dump (Dion), Kessel, their 8th for our 4th and spare parts (or maybe a 2nd)?

That's even more lopsided than 8th + Kessel for 4th, there would be rioting in the streets of Toronto. So let's get 'er done, Burke!

What's funny is that Dion and Kessel were both players Burke really went after. And we could flip Dion to Edmonton for their 2015 1st.

So in our little la-la fantasy world:


Ritchie/Virtanen
Edmonton's 2015 1st
Phil Kessel

for:

Reinhart/Bennett/Draisaitl
Spare parts
Berra pick

[ForeverFlameFan]

I would only want to trade Baertschi for another young player that meets the organizational needs, such as Larsson from the Devils, or maybe the Bruins could use Baertschi and we could take Krug, Smith, or Bartkowski off of their hands.

In regards to the Buffalo trade, I would only offer our 54th OA to move up two spots and that's it. It's up to Buffalo to find them an NHL ready player with those 2nds.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Too much. Sven needs to be part of the solution going forward.

Agreed there is no point selling low on the guy right now. 2 years ago he was called the ChoSven one I think he is getting the Kadri tough love but will be better for it in the end

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I would only want to trade Baertschi for another young player that meets the organizational needs, such as Larsson from the Devils, or maybe the Bruins could use Baertschi and we could take Krug, Smith, or Bartkowski off of their hands.

In regards to the Buffalo trade, I would only offer our 54th OA to move up two spots and that's it. It's up to Buffalo to find them an NHL ready player with those 2nds.

I wouldn't move Sven for Bartkowski that's for sure. Krug/Smith I would be interested. Big yes to Larsson even if the Flames added

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Kadri and 8 is tempting. Then again I'm no scout and have no idea exactly how severe the drop off is. Ending up with Ritchie / ehlers/ virtainen / nylander and kadri wouldn't hurt my feelings

[ForeverFlameFan]

Actually, if Bennett is still available at #4, I would not be surprised if Toronto offers an immense overpayment for Bennett. I'd be willing to listen to their offer at least.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Actually, if Bennett is still available at #4, I would not be surprised if Toronto offers an immense overpayment for Bennett. I'd be willing to listen to their offer at least.

That's true - I never thought about that. That would be interesting. I'd like to get one of the top 4 but if we could still add a player at the 8th slot and get the Leafs to overpay with another prospect/young player, for a shot at the top 4, I'd do it. I think teams would have to pay significantly more to move into the top 4 than to move within the top 4.

Our history of trading with the Leafs isn't so good though and I'd hate to see us give up our second 'Doug Gilmour' and get fleeced again...