[Rumour] Tallon Actively Shopping 1st Overall Pick in 2014 Draft

[Roof-Daddy]

Baertschi is a top 50 prospect IMO, and you don't trade top 50 prospects to move up just three spots in a draft. Hasn't happened before, and shouldn't happen ever.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I simply don't believe Sven's value is nearly as high as you think it is and no I don't believe that him and the 4th would be enough to secure the first overall pick. It's natural for fans to overrate the prospects of their own team so I will just leave it at that. I'm of the belief if the Flames make any deals this summer Sven is a likely candidate to be moved.

I agree and I think Florida would laugh at that deal. Baertschi isn't as sought after as some people believe.

Having said that, I still wouldn't make that trade. Not worth it to me as I don't think there is any considerable difference between 1-4. Ekblad is good, but who knows how he's going to play when his man frame is now playing against actual men.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

I agree and I think Florida would laugh at that deal. Baertschi isn't as sought after as some people believe.

Having said that, I still wouldn't make that trade. Not worth it to me as I don't think there is any considerable difference between 1-4. Ekblad is good, but who knows how he's going to play when his man frame is now playing against actual men.

I don't get this: you don't think there's a "considerable difference between 1-4" and wouldn't make the deal. But Florida laughs because of what? They think there's a considerable difference and Baertschi doesn't cover the gap?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Ekblad is going to be a great Dman.

I'm not as convinced. I dont mean to single you out, but I'm always skeptical when you've got a kid thats huge compared to his peers and thus he dominates, will that translate to the NHL? Has he used his size as a crutch and not worked as hard as he should have to develop the rest of his game?

I just dont know.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not as convinced. I dont mean to single you out, but I'm always skeptical when you've got a kid thats huge compared to his peers and thus he dominates, will that translate to the NHL? Has he used his size as a crutch and not worked as hard as he should have to develop the rest of his game?

Ekblad isn't like a lot of prospects who dominate because of size; with his elite hockey smarts, he'd probably be a high first-round pick even if he was 6'0".

[4oh3]

Guys I don't know how to upload tweets on here but Jim matheson tweeted :


"Sam Reinhart (183 lbs) is heckuva C talent but Oilers want D-man Aaron Ekblad or big German-born C Leon Draisaitl in June draft.#oilers.
3:28 PM - 12 Mar 2014

[Hackey]

I think Baertschi would easily be enough to move up three spots. Personally I think if were going to deal him we should make a package deal that doesn't include the 4th pick. Otherwise I'm fine staying at 4.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

I agree and I think Florida would laugh at that deal. Baertschi isn't as sought after as some people believe.

Having said that, I still wouldn't make that trade. Not worth it to me as I don't think there is any considerable difference between 1-4. Ekblad is good, but who knows how he's going to play when his man frame is now playing against actual men.

Florida would be stupid to laugh at that deal. What team is going to give up a better prospect than Baertschi to move up 3 spots in this draft year? Especially given what you just said...that there isn't much difference between 1-4.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by 4oh3

Guys I don't know how to upload tweets on here but Jim matheson tweeted :


"Sam Reinhart (183 lbs) is heckuva C talent but Oilers want D-man Aaron Ekblad or big German-born C Leon Draisaitl in June draft.#oilers.
3:28 PM - 12 Mar 2014

I could see the Oil making a pitch for Florida's #1 and I'd also be pretty happy with seeing Reinhart or Bennett slip to 4 for us. I can't see Reinhart getting past Buffalo though so I think it will be Drasaitl or Bennett that's available at 4.

[4oh3]

I think mac t will highly overpay for that 1st to get ekblad maybe the panthers would then trade 3 to ours for an extra asset so we can guarantee a Sam

[OzSome]

I don't get why people are giving up on Baertschi already. The guy only played his first full season in professional hockey league. Some players takes more than a year to develop even though he is a scoring machine in junior hockey, some like McKinnon or Monahan can adapt to professional hockey in their first year. I think Backlund proved that already. It took him a few seasons before he started playing well.

As Florida's first pick overall, no thanks in giving up a prospect player and our first round pick. We are still in rebuilding years so it means we develop our young prospects while trying to stay competitive with the mixtures of veteran players and young guys. Who knows if Ekblad will stay as the 1st overall pick or that he won't be available by the time the Flames makes their pick. As I recall D Seth Jones was predicted to be 1st or 2nd pick overall but teams shied away from him after his performance in Memorial Cup. Yes I understand Oilers are very much interested in him and will pick him if he's available, but this is the Oilers. They tend to make some bone-headed mistakes the past few years. I'll say PASS on Florida and keep our first and hoping we will land Ekblad, Reinhart or Bennett.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I don't get why people are giving up on Baertschi already. The guy only played his first full season in professional hockey league. Some players takes more than a year to develop even though he is a scoring machine in junior hockey, some like McKinnon or Monahan can adapt to professional hockey in their first year. I think Backlund proved that already. It took him a few seasons before he started playing well.

As Florida's first pick overall, no thanks in giving up a prospect player and our first round pick. We are still in rebuilding years so it means we develop our young prospects while trying to stay competitive with the mixtures of veteran players and young guys. Who knows if Ekblad will stay as the 1st overall pick or that he won't be available by the time the Flames makes their pick. As I recall D Seth Jones was predicted to be 1st or 2nd pick overall but teams shied away from him after his performance in Memorial Cup. Yes I understand Oilers are very much interested in him and will pick him if he's available, but this is the Oilers. They tend to make some bone-headed mistakes the past few years. I'll say PASS on Florida and keep our first and hoping we will land Ekblad, Reinhart or Bennett.

Send him to Dynamo Moscow. Its where Giordano learned how to be awesome.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I don't get why people are giving up on Baertschi already. The guy only played his first full season in professional hockey league. Some players takes more than a year to develop even though he is a scoring machine in junior hockey, some like McKinnon or Monahan can adapt to professional hockey in their first year. I think Backlund proved that already. It took him a few seasons before he started playing well.

As Florida's first pick overall, no thanks in giving up a prospect player and our first round pick. We are still in rebuilding years so it means we develop our young prospects while trying to stay competitive with the mixtures of veteran players and young guys. Who knows if Ekblad will stay as the 1st overall pick or that he won't be available by the time the Flames makes their pick. As I recall D Seth Jones was predicted to be 1st or 2nd pick overall but teams shied away from him after his performance in Memorial Cup. Yes I understand Oilers are very much interested in him and will pick him if he's available, but this is the Oilers. They tend to make some bone-headed mistakes the past few years. I'll say PASS on Florida and keep our first and hoping we will land Ekblad, Reinhart or Bennett.

We should also keep in mind that if the Oilers want Ekblad, Ekblad is no good.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I don't get why people are giving up on Baertschi already. The guy only played his first full season in professional hockey league. Some players takes more than a year to develop even though he is a scoring machine in junior hockey, some like McKinnon or Monahan can adapt to professional hockey in their first year. I think Backlund proved that already. It took him a few seasons before he started playing well.

No one is giving up on Baertschi, framing the discussion in that way makes you look childish.

You can't trade air, you have to provide value if you want to make a trade.

It is flattering that Baertschi is being used in trade scenarios as it illustrates his perceived value, especially amongst Flames fans.

[Bezer]

Originally Posted by 4oh3

Guys I don't know how to upload tweets on here but Jim matheson tweeted :


"Sam Reinhart (183 lbs) is heckuva C talent but Oilers want D-man Aaron Ekblad or big German-born C Leon Draisaitl in June draft.#oilers.
3:28 PM - 12 Mar 2014

That makes me happy as I think we actually have a legitimate shot at Sam Bennett. If so, I'd be happy staying where we are and not giving up assets.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not as convinced. I dont mean to single you out, but I'm always skeptical when you've got a kid thats huge compared to his peers and thus he dominates, will that translate to the NHL? Has he used his size as a crutch and not worked as hard as he should have to develop the rest of his game?

I just dont know.

Don't understand this argument at all. He doesn't dominate solely because of his size. He has skill, leadership, character, hockey sense, an elite point shot, etc. And do you think all NHLers are 3 inches bigger than junior players? He's dominating against a lot of kids two years older than him. He'll still have a size advantage at the NHL level. What's the average NHLer? 6'0? 6'1? He's several inches taller and going to be quite a big heavier than the average NHLer. So he'll still have a big size and strength advantage on the majority of players in the NHL. He also proved himself well against the best kids a year or two older than him in the World Juniors this year. He's ahead of the curve developmentally.

Why would you be more skeptical of big, skilled players than small skilled players? The smaller players have a lot more to overcome and prove. Ekblad has NHL size and strength now, how that can be construed as a negative is bewildering to me. It's a strength, it's a positive, it's one of his many good assets. It's not a reason to doubt his game will translate. That's just silly talk.

I've seen this argument a lot on this board and it is completely lacking in logic to me. It shows that you can find a negative wherever you want to find one. Did Pronger's size fail to translate at the next level? How about Regehr? Getzlaf dominated junior when he wanted to and was a man amongst boys. Guess what? He does the same at the NHL and Olympic level. Did Nash bust because he was so much bigger than his peers in junior? Where are all these big/strong, skilled players who are contenders for the #1 pick but failed to translate to the NHL because they only dominated junior because of their size? For how often you see this argument there must be dozens if not hundreds of examples you should be able to provide.

I call BS. Please try and provide some examples of this theory because I can't really think of anybody comparable who failed due to dominating junior because of size. Makes little to no sense to me.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 4oh3

Guys I don't know how to upload tweets on here but Jim matheson tweeted :


"Sam Reinhart (183 lbs) is heckuva C talent but Oilers want D-man Aaron Ekblad or big German-born C Leon Draisaitl in June draft.#oilers.
3:28 PM - 12 Mar 2014

I really hope that's true as they will either have to move up to get Ekblad or stay and take Draisaitl which would leave the Flames one of either Bennett or Reinhart which would make for the start of another successful draft for the Flames.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If Baertschi is a top end prospect, every team in the NHL has 3-5 top end prospects. In which case we'll need to come up with a new term for the 15-20 top prospects in the league. Ultra-elite prospects?

Again, bull####. Baertschi has been a top 50 prospect in the NHL since he was drafted. That has not changed, and that is from probably the most critical poster of Baertschi on this site. I think Baertschi is a better prospect now than he was at the start of the season because he has been working on being a better professional. There may be more flashy prospects, that give you and Estrada boners, but Baertschi is doing more than most of those shiny bobbles out there. He'll be a better player for the steps he took backward this season, and he's a better prospect because of it too.

[theoforever]

Sven is a good young player, we have invested time and resources in his development. To trade him to move 3 spots in order to get a guy no better than we can get in 4th cannot be considered logical.
I'm not a great fan of his but it would be a waste of a 1st round pick to make a trade like that.
Ohh, its not a complement to Sven to include him in this type of trade but an insult. And no not every team has 3 or 5 guys like him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

No one is giving up on Baertschi, framing the discussion in that way makes you look childish.

You can't trade air, you have to provide value if you want to make a trade.

It is flattering that Baertschi is being used in trade scenarios as it illustrates his perceived value, especially amongst Flames fans.

Suggesting that the Flames should offer up Baertschi in order to move up 3 spots in a draft where there is little to choose between the 4 picks is anything but flattering.