Survivor: Season 27 "Blood vs Water" Pool

[$ven27]

Quite the interesting episode. Was surprised that Tyson played his idol, some people say stupid move by Ceira but it didn't matter what side she picked, she would've been on the bottom. Was appalled at Vytas being sent off, Tina and Laura cheated to get him off and that's acceptable? BS. It used to never be like that but the last few seasons they seem to be okay with people cheating, wouldn't be surprised to see production get a bit of heat for that.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Quite the interesting episode. Was surprised that Tyson played his idol, some people say stupid move by Ceira but it didn't matter what side she picked, she would've been on the bottom. Was appalled at Vytas being sent off, Tina and Laura cheated to get him off and that's acceptable? BS. It used to never be like that but the last few seasons they seem to be okay with people cheating, wouldn't be surprised to see production get a bit of heat for that.

Its not cheating if there are no rules about it.

Might be good strategy by Laura because if there's a physical challenge on redemption there's little chance that they'd beat Vytas.

Laura liked her odds better in facing off against creeky old Tina.

I don't like it, but its a smart move.

But things like that have a way of bouncing back if one of those two gets to the final 3.

All I know is that both brothers looked extremely pissed in the jury box.

[ernie]

I'll just say wow about tonights episode....

[$ven27]

Wow indeed. Was stunned that Ceira flipped like that. Stupid move on her part IMO, now she has Tyson,Gerv, and Monica mad at her. Also, what was with he rocks? Why did Tyson, Katie and Ceira pick rocks and Monica and Hayden didn't? They were the ones that got voted against so shouldn't it have been them?

[ernie]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Wow indeed. Was stunned that Ceira flipped like that. Stupid move on her part IMO, now she has Tyson,Gerv, and Monica mad at her. Also, what was with he rocks? Why did Tyson, Katie and Ceira pick rocks and Monica and Hayden didn't? They were the ones that got voted against so shouldn't it have been them?

Well they need to do somethign to avoid constantly going in circles when you have an even divide. That was "come to a unanimous agreement or YOU draw rocks". I preferred the build a fire thing in years past but this adds a huge social aspect wrinkle by potentially turning the game on its head. The opening few minutes next week could be very entertaining.

All sorts of balls on display at the end by Tyson. Once Ciera flipped she had very little to lose as she is likely gone next time anyways at this point. Katie is unlikely to make the final 4 as well so she had nothing to lose. But Tyson could have eliminated himself with an idol in his pocket when he could have just agreed with Ciera and eliminated Monica. He'd have an obvious out with the jury by saying "look I couldn't take that chance to eliminate myself from the game. I didn't want to do it but ultimately I had no choice and had to eliminate Monica"

Tyson may have really solidified some votes with a demonstration of him keeping his word with his alliance. But it was a potentially a colossal blunder.

edit: nevermind. The flip side is that Tyson goes along with Ciera and is now outnumbered thus losing control of the game. Drawing rocks was the only way to really remain in control. However, with the idol in his pocket he was guaranteed final 4 with an excellent shot of making the vote. Tough to weigh the odds at the spur of the moment I'm sure.

[killer_carlson]

I think Gervais is guaranteed to go to the end now. No way he gets any jury votes.

[flamesrule14]

Wow what an episode. Thought for sure Hayden was dead. Really surprised Ciera flipped. Next week should be interesting. I think Monica is there for the taking if Hayden and Ciera can get to her.

[CaptainCrunch]

Hayden was a force of destruction tonight. Gervais is guaranteed to the final three now because everyone on the jury plainly hates him and sees him for what he is. A guy that doesn't do much more then smack talk and can't back it up.

This was the only move for Ceira she was outside of the final three in her current alliance and I think she saw that.

Tyson is pretty solid right now, Hayden was pretty much right when he said that tonight was pretty close to the last night that you could really blind side him now.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I don't know if Tyson made the right move. Throwing away your chance at a million dollars on a 1/3 draw? He had an idol in his pocket and could have simply voted out Monica. It's already to the point where pretty much regardless of what happened he's going to have a huge target on his back so getting through a tribal into the final 5 with an idol in your pocket should be good enough. Leaving it to chance like that I'm not a terrible fan of. Obviously it worked out for him and he probably has a better chance of winning it all now but I don't think it was the smart decision.

Katie had nothing to lose, I love the (paraphrasing) "I haven't got involved in that political stuff."
Probst, "Political stuff? You mean Survivor?"
It was probably just that she ended up getting eliminated.

Ciera made a bold move. I liked the actual move but she shouldn't have been so gung-ho with her alliance and handed Tyson an idol just to betray them later. Still, rather than just being the expendable member of the alliance or the 'floater' who gets brought to the final 3 and no one takes serious she made another big move she can easily point to. Unlike Tyson, who's a clear favourite if he makes it to the end, she had to give the jury a reason to vote for her. She risked her life in the game but at least put herself in a better position to win it if things went her way. I would have liked to actually see her try and sway Gervase and Tyson into voting out Monica, something along the lines of "If I'm not number 4, vote out Monica and we're still a solid 3." No reason for Gervase to flip but at least it would have been a better argument than "let's do this!"

And then there's Hayden. Went from going home to final 5 with 3 sort of allies on Redemption Island.

[GreenLantern]

Lots of good from tonights episode, you can tell Probst was just loving it. First off, Gervais has zero chance of winning this game. All he does is run his mouth, people are sick of it. I loved how eager he was to pick rocks last night with the idol around his neck and total safety. If I was Tyson I'd be pissed at him for throwing everything out the window with MY neck on the line.

Ciera is smart for seeing that she was the one on the outside.
Ciera is an idiot for not seeing earlier that she was clearly the one on the outside.

She could have taken control of the game with Hayden and Caleb long ago, but she chose not too, that cost her a shot at 1 million dollars. She plays the game hard, but too bull headed. She thinks she is a better player than her mom, but she clearly has shown that she is not. I would be very interested to see how she tweeks her game if they bring her back though. And they will bring her back, Survivor favours and rewards the bold and they definitely owe her another shot for one of the best tribal councils in Survivor history.

Who else do they owe another shot too? Hayden. Man alive that guy can play. He is a mover and a shaker, people in the past have said they were going to blow up tribal council, one of them being the infamous Russell. Nobody has succeeded on the level that he did last night. My hat is off to him, unbelievable scrambling ability. He literally had them cornered with nowhere to go, he had all these vets of the game even Gervais 'WE GON SHOW YOU HOW WE DO IT IN DA HOOD HOMIE' with their backs against the wall going WTF IS GOING ON!

Not countign either of them out yet, it is Survivor who freaking knows what will happen. But right now odds are on a clear win for Tyson, with a few votes Monica's way. Gervais might get a good job pat on the back from Probst. Maybe.

Love it love it love it, this is why I watch Survivor.

[CaptainCrunch]

The X factor here is who comes out of redemption Island to form the final four.

But the thing is that the time to vote out Tyson was pretty much last year. Gervais is a typical coat hanger worthless player who is never going to change his vote, he's not that smart. Monica could be interesting because frankly out of the final 3 of Tyson, Gervais and her she's the one that has suddenly become the swing power because she can out of the remaining group win challenges.

Tyson is great socially but he's not physically dominant. Hayden looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane.

The only way that this game turns now is if Monica wins a challenge and blindsides Tyson and convinces him that he's safe so he doesn't play the idol.

Monica with one immunity can change this game and she's the only way that they can change this game. Otherwise she's not going to risk going against her alliance.

I would say though that her big move would be to secretly align with Hayden and Ceira guarantee them a spot in the final three and then make a lot of noise next week about voting out Tyson forcing him to play the idol and then dumping Gervais.

The two biggest threats right now in front of a jury to me are Hayden and Tyson.

Next up is Monica who has to have gained some respect from the jury in how she physically competes.

Ciera might have gained back some respect from the jury last night for her move. She can state that she's playing and playing hard.

Gervais might think he's played a game but when a jury basically laughs in your face its over. You're an idiot, go home

[GreenLantern]

Best part of the episode was:

Hayden: Ya I am just trying to rustle feathers
Tyson: Ruffle
Hayden: *pause* What?
Tyson: It's ruffle not russell, russell is a name
Hayden: Rustle. R U S T L E. Like rustle leaves?
Tyson: .... *puts head down*
Hayden: *looks at jeff and shakes head*

hahah, classic. It isn't perfect use of the word rustle, but I think he held his own just fine. The exchange was very entertaining, and shows just how much of a dick Tyson is and he really, really can't help himself. It is almost like a defense mechanism for him, so who knows, we've never seen him in a final 3. His jerkness may cause him to "rustle" too many feathers during his final 3 questioning and hand the game over to someone else.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Best part of the episode was:

Hayden: Ya I am just trying to rustle feathers
Tyson: Ruffle
Hayden: *pause* What?
Tyson: It's ruffle not russell, russell is a name
Hayden: Rustle. R U S T L E. Like rustle leaves?
Tyson: .... *puts head down*
Hayden: *looks at jeff and shakes head*

hahah, classic. It isn't perfect use of the word rustle, but I think he held his own just fine. The exchange was very entertaining, and shows just how much of a dick Tyson is and he really, really can't help himself. It is almost like a defense mechanism for him, so who knows, we've never seen him in a final 3. His jerkness may cause him to "rustle" too many feathers during his final 3 questioning and hand the game over to someone else.

Tyson is a seemingly stereotypical Ex Mormon.

Challenges everything, deeply cynical and sarcastic.

[Cheese]

Caleb's ouster takes out ineedanother and Rhetzky...thanks for the try guys and welcome to the club!

Ciera had a much better shot when she had the chance to ally with Hayden and Caleb...now she is toast unless Monica flips. Still cant stand Tyson and hope he finds a way to lose.

[trackercowe]

Screw you all. Go Tyson! He's by faaaaaaaaar playing the best game. Hayden was able to convince dummy Ciera to switch over, even though Tyson and Gervase probably take her to the final three. They may have voted out Monica over her simply because of all the challenges Monica has won. Monica may not be the most likable person, but most of her enemies aren't even on the jury. Ciera on the other hand is a young, fragile person who won't be able to stand the weight of the final tribal council. Now you can make a case to get rid of Ciera now because of the possibility Laura comes back into the game, but that'd be one of the only reasons why.

All that matters though is that Tyson wins this thing; he's sort of been a mini-Rob this season, but really needs to win a couple challenges to pull out the win.

[killer_carlson]

I think the other big threat to win the game is Laura M. If she gets to the final three it is hers for the taking, including over Tyson.

Tyson plays the idol next week, so I think it comes down to Ciera, Hayden or Monica. Where this will get crazy next week is if Hayden wins immunity.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think the other big threat to win the game is Laura M. If she gets to the final three it is hers for the taking, including over Tyson.

Tyson plays the idol next week, so I think it comes down to Ciera, Hayden or Monica. Where this will get crazy next week is if Hayden wins immunity.

Will be interesting to see if Tina helps Katie eliminate Laura at redemption.

huge wildcard.

[GreenLantern]

I wonder what would happen if Tina like knocked something over of Laura's during a challenge? That has never happened before, I guess they would probably just start over?

[Parallex]

Just watched the episode... Hayden finally showing his reality competition bonafides was epic. He went from being next out to psuedo-immunity that alone is impressive. Pleased to see the rocks get used, most folk chicken out but I like seeing people effectively saying "no, I'd rather risk going home tonight then not try to take control of the game" pity Ciera didn't realize last episode where she was in the pecking order she could have been large and in charge right now had she done so.

Still think that Tyson wins this game. He's got the idol in his pocket, Gervase in the other pocket, and a better resume then anyone left standing. Hayden was right, no one beats him.

[trackercowe]

They really need to pick off Ciera next, as she now has become much more of a threat than Hayden is. She can even say she made a couple big moves in voting off her mom, and turning on the alliance (that everyone on the jury hates). Then of course Laura coming back into the game is a major threat for everyone left, especially if Ciera is still around.

It will be very interesting in Laura and Ciera do the make the final three though. Will Laura actually speak against her daughter, or will she try and convince the jury to throw votes her daughters way? Let's say the final three is Tyson, Ciera, and Laura; who wins then? Hard to say for certain, but I honestly think with Laura helping her out Ciera just might win. Tina and Katie are going to be obvious votes their way, so they only need a few more to take the game.

What would be the worst though is a Gervase/Laura/Ciera final three. Still a mild fan of Gervase, but like others have said he has no chance at winning. After him, you'd expect Ciera to win, but does it really matter when they'll likely split the money anyway?

Hopefully either Tyson or Hayden makes the final vote, as otherwise I expect a pretty mediocre final tribal. That would be unfortunate, as this season has been the best in years. I just hate watching some of these seasons, then not end up watching the finalie because of a terrible final three.