We were living in Innisfail when the Pine Lake tornado hit. We got the edge of that storm and that was scary enough - me and 6 kids hiding out in the basement. I was babysitting our friends kids because he was a paramedic and was out on a transfer to Calgary. He ended up being one of the very first responders at the scene because their rig was a mile from town when the calls came in and they were immediately sent out there.
and in 2000? there was was by red deer that killed double digits, i think it was an f3?
The Pine Lake tornado, that I mentioned in my last post. 12 killed. Considering it hit a campground full of fifth wheels/tent trailers, etc, it is amazing more weren't killed.
20,000 kg (or approximately 44,000 pounds) of food, blankets, diapers donated by Canadians for Oklahoma tornado relief is being held up by US customs.
Seriously.
You may want to pass this along to your local news to see if they can get someone with common sense to intervene. Also, I think it helps for people to know that their neighbours are thinking of their well being in times of crisis.
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I know it's not much, I was just pointing out on a rare occasion we do still get them. I would hate for someone to move here thinking they will never see one again and then shortly after moving be subject to a tornado warning. Information is good to have.
20,000 kg (or approximately 44,000 pounds) of food, blankets, diapers donated by Canadians for Oklahoma tornado relief is being held up by US customs.
Seriously.
You may want to pass this along to your local news to see if they can get someone with common sense to intervene. Also, I think it helps for people to know that their neighbours are thinking of their well being in times of crisis.
noted and forwarded to the OKC news stations... it seems pretty stupid that its held up because OBAMA hasnt declared it as a disaster zone. I can't believe Obama came to visit since Oklahoma was one of if not the only state where no county had him in the majority.
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The City of Calgary doesn't get many tornado warnings itself, I thought?
I know we had warnings out a handful of times last year, and watches several times in Olds, north of the City.
It's weird they say lots of big cities dont get them.. like Dallas and people say things like 'its because of the amount of concrete and the way it reflects heat."
we normally don't have tornados here in Austria, but it's flooding season right now ... it seems those get more frequent and more severe recently. Today was the worst flooding I have ever experienced, even beating a massive one in 2002 which was huge enough to be called "flood of the century" by the media. We were very close to evacuation today (in fact, some of our neighbors packed their stuff and drove away pretty early in the morning), but it seems we have made it through the worst now. We had to pump out our cellar all day (the water was 2 metres high at some point), the shack in the garden is damaged and there has been water in some rooms, but basically, we got off cheaply. In my home province alone there have been 3 confirmed deaths today.
This is what our garden usually looks like (well, minus the hail ^^)
today, it looked like this:
my home town:
stupid weather!
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Ya, just having watched the "Storm Chasers" show, you could tell Tim Samaras was pure class and a damned smart researcher.
Extra sad since he was always the one who avoided getting to close to storms, even though his team would often want to get closer, he was usually the voice of safety and kept them away.
The other guy who was lost (Carl), was also a beauty. RIP
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Here is a time lapse from Friday's storms from a Downtown perspective. ( No I don't know why Devon built a building that's twice the size of every other building downtown. Yes it does look weird) but without further ado:
noted and forwarded to the OKC news stations... it seems pretty stupid that its held up because OBAMA hasnt declared it as a disaster zone. I can't believe Obama came to visit since Oklahoma was one of if not the only state where no county had him in the majority.
Can you point out where the article indicates that the hold up is Obama's fault?
Obama signed the disaster declaration on May 20 and that declaration is still in effect.
It's why FEMA and various other governmental aid organizations (small business administration for example that offer low interest disaster loans) are fully mobilized and working in the area. The programs can't be carried out without the declaration.
The disaster declaration process:
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The initial First Response to a disaster is the job of local government's emergency services with help from nearby municipalities, the state and volunteer agencies. In a catastrophic disaster if the governor requests, federal resources can be mobilized through the U.S.Department of Homeland Security's Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for search and rescue, electrical power, food, water, shelter and other basic human needs.
It is the long-term Recovery phase of disaster which places the most severe financial strain on local or state government. Damage to public facilities and infrastructure, often not insured, can overwhelm even a large city.
A governor's request for a major disaster declaration could mean an infusion of federal funds, but the governor must also commit significant state funds and resources for recovery efforts. A Major Disaster can be a result of hurricanes, earthquakes, flood, tornados or major fires; the President then determines warrants supplemental federal aid. The event must be clearly more than state or local governments can handle alone. If declared, funding comes from the President's Disaster Relief Fund, managed by FEMA and disaster aid programs of other participating federal agencies. A Presidential Major Disaster Declaration puts into motion long-term federal recovery programs, some of which are matched by state programs and designed to help disaster victims, businesses and public entities. An Emergency Declaration is more limited in scope and without the long-term federal recovery programs of a Major Disaster Declaration. Generally, federal assistance and funding are provided to meet a specific emergency need or to help prevent a major disaster from occurring. The Major Disaster Process
A Major Disaster Declaration usually follows these steps:
Local Government Responds, supplemented by neighboring communities and volunteer agencies. If overwhelmed, turn to the state for assistance;
The State Responds with state resources, such as the National Guard and state agencies;
Damage Assessment by local, state, federal, and volunteer organizations determines losses and recovery needs;
A Major Disaster Declaration is requested by the governor, based on the damage assessment, and an agreement to commit state funds and resources to the long-term recovery;
FEMA Evaluates the request and recommends action to the White House based on the disaster, the local community and the state's ability to recover;
The President approves the request or FEMA informs the governor it has been denied. This decision process could take a few hours or several weeks depending on the nature of the disaster.
So in general terms you get this:
-immediate response by local authorities
-very quick declaration of state of emergency to mobilize national guard and other resources on the state level
-federal declaration
For Oklahoma the first two were done on May 18. The Federal declaration came on May 20 once the necessary info was in place for that declaration. And as I mentioned the May 20 one is still in effect for Oklahoma.
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Can you point out where the article indicates that the hold up is Obama's fault?
Why do you have to politicize this?
Just going on what Local news has said and there was another article that said the exact same thing I said in the post...I would have to dig through and find it. Why do I have to politicize it ? Don't you know how things works in America? Everything is politicized....
Because U.S. President Barack Obama hasn’t declared Moore, Okla., tornado a disaster area, the 52-foot trailer of goods is considered a commercial shipment rather than humanitarian aid.
He is quite simply wrong. Disaster declaration #13586 was signed on May 20, 2013 from storms during the period covering May 18-May 27. It is still in effect as you can find on the FEAM or SBA or several other websites.
Cleveland, Lincoln, McClain, Oklahoma, and Pottawatomie were the counties given the declaration
The El Reno tornado did not result in an extension of the declaration of disaster are to that specific area as, I'm guessing, the amount of damage done was not significant enough to warrant it as while the tornado was huge it was over mostly open areas and most structure damage was rated EF3.
Btw your link actually contains a link in it saying that the area does have a declaration of disaster and so that actually isn't the issue. The issue is the wheels of bureaucracy turning even after the declaration was made, goods in the shipment that couldn't be brought in etc and likely the fact that the efforts of those in the bureaucracy are directed more directly towards the disaster area and surrounding areas and not the canadian-US border..
At the very least, IMO, the comment from the people in the article about Obama not providing a declaration of disaster were highly politically charged and not based in fact. Such a shame.
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He is quite simply wrong. Disaster declaration #13586 was signed on May 20, 2013 from storms during the period covering May 18-May 27. It is still in effect as you can find on the FEAM or SBA or several other websites.
Cleveland, Lincoln, McClain, Oklahoma, and Pottawatomie were the counties given the declaration
The El Reno tornado did not result in an extension of the declaration of disaster are to that specific area as, I'm guessing, the amount of damage done was not significant enough to warrant it as while the tornado was huge it was over mostly open areas and most structure damage was rated EF3.
Btw your link actually contains a link in it saying that the area does have a declaration of disaster and so that actually isn't the issue. The issue is the wheels of bureaucracy turning even after the declaration was made, goods in the shipment that couldn't be brought in etc and likely the fact that the efforts of those in the bureaucracy are directed more directly towards the disaster area and surrounding areas and not the canadian-US border..
At the very least, IMO, the comment from the people in the article about Obama not providing a declaration of disaster were highly politically charged and not based in fact. Such a shame.
I believe that might have been added after the fact, I have since read other articles that states this article was wrong. However, this is the article I first read ( from Facebook) from an Oklahoman whom hates Obama. No surprise that he posted that just to slight Obama.
My hotel and the 71 others that are operated by us rented a 26' ryder truck and loaded it up with water, gloves, food, clothes, teddy bears, dog food ect and took it to Moore.
I'm Kevin's boss, he runs my Bistro. I'm very proud to be involved in something like this.
Addition to the truck we were able to donate $750 to the Ok. United Way
I know its not much but every little bit helps. I was lucky to have my house and life and many here were not so lucky including my Director of Sales and a housekeeper. They lost everything but their lives. Our hearts went out to those in Moore and hope things are getting better
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