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[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Miika Kiprusoff is a third string goalie...
Please play MacDonald here on out...

...sorry just an emotional post...our defence is terrible but for f*** sakes when our starting goalie has a save percentage of below .800, jeezus.....

Make the deal for Bernier already....

Ha-Ha-Ha @ you if you think Bernier is going to save the day.

[Slick Oilers Troll]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Ha-Ha-Ha @ you if you think Bernier is going to save the day.

One of the best young goaltenders out there. He will save the day in cgy imo.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Miika Kiprusoff is a third string goalie...
Please play MacDonald here on out...

...sorry just an emotional post...our defence is terrible but for f*** sakes when our starting goalie has a save percentage of below .800, jeezus.....

Make the deal for Bernier already....

And people think that Kipper could be traded for "future assets". Laughable.

[HartAttack]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ercentage&pg=3

Miikka Kiprusoff - SV% - #71 out of #79 goalies to see ice time in the NHL this season

Miikka Kiprusoff - GAA - #70 out of #79

How much more proof do we need? For all of you that want to 'blow it up', maybe we should just blow up our goaltending, and get some youth (Taylor, Irving) in net and give the guys a chance to grow!

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by HartAttack

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ercentage&pg=3

Miikka Kiprusoff - SV% - #71 out of #79 goalies to see ice time in the NHL this season

Miikka Kiprusoff - GAA - #70 out of #79

How much more proof do we need? For all of you that want to 'blow it up', maybe we should just blow up our goaltending, and get some youth (Taylor, Irving) in net and give the guys a chance to grow!

If your goal is to have the #1 draft pick then Taylor and Irving are the way to go. Not sure how you can blame Kipper or even MacDonald with their play considering the forwards don't like to play in thier own zone and the D is average at best.

[AltaGuy]

Yeah, I'm quite convinced that no goalie in the league would've helped us this season overcome our defensive lapses. Yes, there were a few games where our goaltending stunk it up earlier, but lately it's all on the skaters imo...

[HartAttack]

Also, in 13 GP, Kipper only has 4 games this year... FOUR... with a SV% higher than 0.900, which is generally the bare minimum requirement for an NHL goalie!!!!

ARGHHHHH!!!! It's just so frustrating to hear us talk about the "team" being a lottery pick team, when it is clearly goaltending that is our problem.

Since 06-07, Kipper has only been in the top 1/2 of goaltenders in the NHL twice. I think the reality is sitting in front of us.

[HartAttack]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If your goal is to have the #1 draft pick then Taylor and Irving are the way to go. Not sure how you can blame Kipper or even MacDonald with their play considering the forwards don't like to play in thier own zone and the D is average at best.

So what exactly do you want out of the Flames? More 2-Way forwards? Wasn't that the problem for this team in previous years? Too many 3rd-4th line type guys who play defense well but have no offensive pizzaz?

People wanted offense, and an exciting team to watch. So guess what, we've got an open/offensive style of play under Hartley, and we now have 3 scoring lines, and 1 grinding line.

If you can't see fault in Kipper's play (not just this year), then I'm sorry but you're one of the many with their blinders on.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by HartAttack

So what exactly do you want out of the Flames? More 2-Way forwards? Wasn't that the problem for this team in previous years? Too many 3rd-4th line type guys who play defense well but have no offensive pizzaz?

People wanted offense, and an exciting team to watch. So guess what, we've got an open/offensive style of play under Hartley, and we now have 3 scoring lines, and 1 grinding line.

If you can't see fault in Kipper's play (not just this year), then I'm sorry but you're one of the many with their blinders on.

LOL, last year the only reson the flames did not have a top 3 pick was because of Kipper.

People wanting offense, does not mean that they wanted them to stop playing defense. Yes you can have it both ways.

[vilzeh]

Dear god. How's Rinne been for the last games when his team's been HORRIBLE defensive? Yes, he's been HORRIBLE. Same goes for Lundqvist, Luongo, Smith, Quick etc... The problem is just that Flames D is the worst in NHL, and that's why Kipper's been more horrid than the others.

Great example: Bryzgalov was a top 5 goalie in Phoenix, now in Philadelphia he's not even top 20.

Figure it out.

[HartAttack]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

LOL, last year the only reson the flames did not have a top 3 pick was because of Kipper.

People wanting offense, does not mean that they wanted them to stop playing defense. Yes you can have it both ways.

The flames were 24th in the league in Goals for/game last year, how is that a hail to Kipper?

Take a look at my other post (@ 9:40am), this is a trend, and last season was an anomaly for your Finnish friend.

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by Slick Oilers Troll

One of the best young goaltenders out there. He will save the day in cgy imo.

Yes, in a stacked Kings team, I wonder how'd he be in Flames...

[Beatle17]

I think there is lots of blame to go around on the Flames. I am not a fan of blowing up the team, but after watching last nights game I really think it is time to trade some players. I think that the key guys that really need to move are Cammalleri, Tanguay and Iginla for forwards, Butler and Smith for defencemen.
The forwards I mentioned just do not seem interested in competing in all zones of the ice and could probably gather you some draft picks and/or hard working type of players who will help out on the defensive end. Tanguay only wants to make the pretty play and Cammalleri only wants to shoot no matter what the play dictates. Iginla may get you some decent assets (the phone calls should be made now even before he gives you permission to move him) and if the offer isn't good then don't trade him. I am not saying he shouldn't be traded but why trade him if you don't receive an NHL caliber player in return (by NHL caliber player I mean someone along the lines of Brandon Sutter type not Jordan Nolan type). I don't even care if Iginla walks at the end of the season if all he is going to get you is low caliber players and crappy draft picks at this point.
Butler and Smith may get you some lower draft picks and possibly the Flames could suck some team into believing they could help offensively. To me the best scenario would be to get a 5-6 Dman who is big and rough.
The team needs to retool with some younger players who have some grit and can skate (Lance Bouma type of guys). If they can secure some of these types they can mix them in with the newer guys like Stempniak/Hudler/Backlund etc., and retool a bit while they develop some of the recent draft picks. If last nights game showed me anything it was the total lack of effort by the "top" players. I also believe that if you can get a 2nd round pick and a player for Kipper you trade him. He seems frustrated and lacking drive at this time and to me it is time to move on from him.
I guess what I am trying to say is there definitely needs to be some changes, but the Flames and fans may be seriously overrating what the team will get for these assets. I would rather trade Iginla and Kipper for draft picks that for the type of package the Oilers received for Ryan Smyth a few years ago, basically wasted contracts. Let them go and use their money to sign some decent NHL players.

[djsFlames]

It is true when you think about it.

Our team is in the top 10 for offense. If our goalies maintained save percentages higher than .900 our current record would inevitably be vastly improved.

In reality, a fair portion of that falls on the shoulders of the lack of defensive effort by the forwards and imo their constant waiting around watching the opposition cycle until a loose puck turns up, as well as our very average top 4 D that is a lot more oriented at providing offense than shutting down top opposition. (there needs to be a mix of both)

However, fair blame can be placed on the lack of STARTING quality (consistently +.900) goaltending. It's clearly been backup quality since game 1 of the season.

This season's edition of the Flames reminds me a lot of the Tampa Bay Lightning. Can score, but worse at keeping pucks out.

[Flash Walken]

The Flames wouldn't have close to the offensive numbers they have now if they had to pay attention to their own end.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The Flames wouldn't have close to the offensive numbers they have now if they had to pay attention to their own end.

I agree. Also, our severe lack of actual centers has led directly to a ridiculous number of complete defensive breakdowns.

I really do think that adding a proper 1/2 center would've helped us in the standings more than different goaltending this year. Oddly enough, said centers probably wouldn't lead to more GF, but would help with the GA immensely.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Ha-Ha-Ha @ you if you think Bernier is going to save the day.

I'm not suggesting Bernier would "save the day", just looking at Kipper's stats in frustration...I realize it's not entirely Kipper's fault, our D (incl. forwards) is terrible this season, I just hope there's a plan in place to have an NHL goaltender that's ready to step in as a #1 in the near future, preferably one of Bernier's caliber.

Regardless of the goalie prospects in the org, who is realistically ready to step in as a starter beyond next season?...Taylor? Irving? Brossoit? Ramo? MacDonald?

I don't follow our G prospects that closely so perhaps someone can enlighten me but IMO unless the Flames plan on re-signing and riding an ageing Kipper until he's 40, or unless Ramo is THE guy, I don't see any immediate solution other than targetting a guy like Bernier which IMO would be a step in the right direction as far as young goalies with high potential.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

I said the Oilers were a 7-11 team. They currently are 1 point out of 11th with a two games in hand on the 12th and 11th place teams. Winning percentage in the West has the Oilers tied for 10th. The Oilers have a fairly easy schedule left, particularly in the next 14 games. I suspect the last 5 games of the year will kill their playoff chances, but I would not be surprised to see them right in the thick of things at the 43 game mark given the weak schedule they have in those 14 games (Flames 3 times, Preds, Blue Jackets, Avs). I could easily see them going 8-5-1 over that stretch, only to go 2-3 down the stretch to miss the playoffs.

Flames have a more difficult schedule, more road games and have shown absolutely no ability to fight through adversity, all of which is different from the Oilers this year. If the Flames started a 9 game road trip 1-4-2 you can bet they would finish that road trip 1-6-2. I think people are going to be disturbingly surprised at the end of the year as to where the Oilers finish. They have fought through a number of injuries, a tougher schedule and are still in the race. I thought that 9 game road trip would kill them, I really thought it would when they went 1-4-2 over the first 7 and had Chicago for game 8, but they seem to be resilient this year, not to the point of making the playoffs in my opinion, but still a legitimate bubble team.

Hahaha, actually only for Edmonton would the 3 games against the Flames NOT be considered weak.

If you can trust the Flames to show up for any games in the remainder of the season it will be those. They'll likely yet again take the series 3-1, or even a sweep, just to put a damper on the spirits of the oilers and their fans that will (once again) get too ahead of themselves like they do year in, year out... etc etc.