[PGT] Flames fall to Coyotes 4-0 - A whole lot of NOTHIN'

[ah123]

Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

It makes my gut turn coming to the conclusion that Iginla is the likely culprit somehow and players like Tanguay, and to a lesser extent Glencross, assist in manifesting the issue.

This is not a hate Iggy post or even a get rid of Iggy post. This is simply where I think the issue stems from.

As far as I can remember back, Iginla has always needed to be "challenged" by the coach; he succeeds when he has hard-ass coaches (e.g. Brian Sutter, Daryl Sutter) who are not scared to sit him when required.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Instead he gave most of the money to Comeau and Sarich. Olli would have helped this team more than those 2.

...really?

We're going to start dreaming of players like Olli Jokinen? Dude has 6 pts in 14 games and is a -6.

I loved Olli, but he didn't help the Flames win anything while he was here.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...really?

We're going to start dreaming of players like Olli Jokinen? Dude has 6 pts in 14 games and is a -6.

I loved Olli, but he didn't help the Flames win anything while he was here.

I don't disagree with you, but what i am saying is that the flames were in no position to get worse at the center position while trying tp compete for a playoff spot.

Whether you like Olli or not he would still be a better center than tanguay on this team. For chrsit sake they tried Comeau at center.

What the flames ownership and management need to realise is that this team needed to let go a lot more than just Olli.

[Bourque's Twin]

Considering it was Danny Taylor's first ever start in the NHL, I would say he did well and I would feel most comfortable starting him over Joey or Irving.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Considering it was Danny Taylor's first ever start in the NHL, I would say he did well and I would feel most comfortable starting him over Joey or Irving.

I would have agreed with you except that Taylor let in a bunch of soft goals in the third. Not hard to imagine that the fragile psyche team in front of him could lose faith in him already. If this team does not have 100% faith in the goaltender behind them, they are doomed.

This team played better in front of MacDonald. Not saying MacDonald is better than Taylor, but if the team plays better in front of MacDonald then MacDonald gets the next start.

[bubbsy]

i think whoever you put it, you have to expect 1-2 weak goals a night.

We don't have the forwards/defence to be able to play stifling D, yet still create offense. they are a group that must play an offensive style to win. when the offense isn't clicking, there are few games where the defensive/goaltending game will steal a win.

Last night is a perfect example of that.

[868904]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

LOL, not even close. You might not like Olli but he heads over heals better than Iggy,Cervenka, or Tanguay for that matter in the center position.

When they were on the same line, who took the most important faceoffs? Iginla or Jokinen? As for the rest of their defensive coverage, they are about a wash, both equally bad. That's why I'd rather have Iginla as a centre over Jokinen, at least he can win faceoffs on one side.

Not re-signing Jokinen was not a bad move by Feaster. Not getting a real two way centre who can win a faceoff or play in the defensive zone was a bad move. Even if Feaster went out and picked up another Matt Stajan type, it would have been better than committing to what the Jets gave Jokinen.

[saillias]

Ignoring all the whining about our team, this game just makes me sad that we never got Tippett all those years ago. NDallas let him go for Marc Crawford!!! He was available and D Sutter sniped B Sutter from NJ instead.

It doesn't matter who Phoenix plays in net, they make him look good.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by saillias

Ignoring all the whining about our team, this game just makes me sad that we never got Tippett all those years ago. NDallas let him go for Marc Crawford!!! He was available and D Sutter sniped B Sutter from NJ instead.

It doesn't matter who Phoenix plays in net, they make him look good.

I am not sure Dave Tippett could have gotten the various incarnations of the Flames to play such a structured team game...just don't see it happening.

[clancy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I am not sure Dave Tippett could have gotten the various incarnations of the Flames to play such a structured team game...just don't see it happening.

Dead on. When the leader of the dressing room wont play that system, it all falls apart. And we know that ownership has declared him a flame for life.

[EddyBeers]

There seems to be a lot of worry these days about the Flames, there are a couple of things that need to be kept in mind:

1) It is early days yet, not even half the season has gone by. The time to worry is game 35;
2) The Flames are only 5 points out of 6th with 2 games in hand. If they win those two games and then they win the third game and the sixth place team loses the third game they are right back into 6th place and looking good;
3) Last nights 4-0 loss was exciting. I will take an exciting 4-0 loss over a boring 4-0 loss any day.

[TheGrimm]

I am probably in the minority here, but I don't see why people are making a big deal about the possibility of moving Iggy for a couple of seasons. It's a win-win, as long as he stays in Calgary it's status quo with him being the "leader" and no room for the kids to step up and take on that role. I say let him chase a cup for a couple of years while we try to rebuild. It will give us a chance to retool and hopefully he can come and retire here in a different capacity. As long as he stays in Calgary it doesn't seem like the transformation of Iginla into a Selanne type role is ever going to happen, we just rely on him too much.

If he really doesn't want to leave Calgary to try to win a cup, it's actually more disappointing to me because to me, that tells me he is more interested in riding it out to retirement here and padding stats. (I don't believe this is the case)

[troutman]

I think the biggest problem with NHL entertainment today is over-size goalie equipment. Big goalies like Smith an Luongo can kneel in the butterfly all night, and you aren't going to score when you can't get rebounds and odd man rushes.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by troutman

I think the biggest problem with NHL entertainment today is over-size goalie equipment. Big goalies like Smith an Luongo can kneel in the butterfly all night, and you aren't going to score when you can't get rebounds and odd man rushes.

That is exactly the problem. The NHL should govern equipment with the same thoroughness that golf does. The best case scenario for the NHL would be to get rid of the big pads but also force all players to use wooden sticks. No goalie is going to want to get rid of their current equipment if every player can fire the puck 90+ MPH with the new sticks. Shrink all of the goaltending equipment and force the players to use wooden sticks again. Of course that will never happen, but I would love to see it.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

That is exactly the problem. The NHL should govern equipment with the same thoroughness that golf does. The best case scenario for the NHL would be to get rid of the big pads but also force all players to use wooden sticks. No goalie is going to want to get rid of their current equipment if every player can fire the puck 90+ MPH with the new sticks. Shrink all of the goaltending equipment and force the players to use wooden sticks again. Of course that will never happen, but I would love to see it.

I've seen no academic research that the new sticks provide any increase in shot velocity. The only study I have seen (U of C) showed there is no difference.

[davidbjordan]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

There seems to be a lot of worry these days about the Flames, there are a couple of things that need to be kept in mind:

1) It is early days yet, not even half the season has gone by. The time to worry is game 35;
2) The Flames are only 5 points out of 6th with 2 games in hand. If they win those two games and then they win the third game and the sixth place team loses the third game they are right back into 6th place and looking good;
3) Last nights 4-0 loss was exciting. I will take an exciting 4-0 loss over a boring 4-0 loss any day.

I was with you until #3, that game last night was anything but exciting

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

There seems to be a lot of worry these days about the Flames, there are a couple of things that need to be kept in mind:

1) It is early days yet, not even half the season has gone by. The time to worry is game 35;
2) The Flames are only 5 points out of 6th with 2 games in hand. If they win those two games and then they win the third game and the sixth place team loses the third game they are right back into 6th place and looking good;
3) Last nights 4-0 loss was exciting. I will take an exciting 4-0 loss over a boring 4-0 loss any day.

LOL.

You had me going until point number three. Kudos on the well executed green text post sans the green text.

[you got PHANUEFED]

Dont get me wrong I'm a die hard Flames fan but watching this crap is getting old Taylor had no business being in net last night what a way to kill the mojo of the team after the big come back. Two thumbs up to Feaster and Hartley.

[TheGrimm]

Originally Posted by you got PHANUEFED

Dont get me wrong I'm a die hard Flames fan but watching this crap is getting old Taylor had no business being in net last night what a way to kill the mojo of the team after the big come back. Two thumbs up to Feaster and Hartley.

Considering it was his first NHL start he did an average job. I saw enough of him to see that he could probably be a decent backup given the opportunity. I can't fault Taylor entirely for the loss as the rest of the team (except the 4th line) just simply didn't show up.

I thought he looked a little more confident in net than Irving does.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by troutman

I've seen no academic research that the new sticks provide any increase in shot velocity. The only study I have seen (U of C) showed there is no difference.

That is true, I have not seen any academic research either. It would be interesting because all the hockey guys that I have spoken with swear that there is increased velocity with the new sticks. Guys that have used both at a high level of hockey say that the new sticks may not add to an Adrian Aucoin's velocity but what they do is bring the bottom up and thus would theoretically bring the average velocity up.