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Minnie · 01-24-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingLonghorn

Well there are vegetarians who made the choice because of health reasons. They wouldn't preach. I have been a vegan for 15 years. When I was younger I was very preachy as I felt I was trying to save lives and while I still believe meat is murder, now I believe there is a time and place for such discussion. On this board I generally try to clear up some misnomers and myths about Veganism and don't try to argue that everyone shouldn't eat meat as I don't think it would progress the cause any.

It is often like watching a new convert to Christianity, lol.

polak · 01-24-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingLonghorn

I disagree. I think he was stating vegetarianism is something only the Western world can do because of our resources and is unattainable in poorer nations. Either way both interpretations are false as being a Vegan is nowhere near as expensive as you are making it out to be (although in Iceland it may be true). Hence the 400 million plus people who are vegetarian in poorer nations. Somehow they can afford it, but we can't?

Fruit is cheaper when it's grown close to you and year around.

Fruit is a lot cheaper in the poorer tropics then in say, Calgary.

FlamingLonghorn · 01-24-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

Fruit is cheaper when it's grown close to you and year around.

Fruit is a lot cheaper in the poorer tropics then in say, Calgary.

Agreed but fruit is just as important in a omnivorous diet as it is in a vegetarian diet. So it will cost the same either way. The only cost difference in the diets is the protein source which I contend can be done just as cheap if not cheaper in most western countries being a vegetarian.

stang · 01-24-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingLonghorn

Well there are vegetarians who made the choice because of health reasons. They wouldn't preach. I have been a vegan for 15 years. When I was younger I was very preachy as I felt I was trying to save lives and while I still believe meat is murder, now I believe there is a time and place for such discussion. On this board I generally try to clear up some misnomers and myths about Veganism and don't try to argue that everyone shouldn't eat meat as I don't think it would progress the cause any.

Pretty funny that your username makes me wanna BBQ a steak....

Mmmm

gargamel · 01-24-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

See, I am not getting this ... Or the whole preachy thing. I didn't bring the subject up. This thread was ABOUT animals, even some of the least complicated animals, suffering pain for the sake of human enjoyment. Really, were you coming into the thread looking for 100% agreement that animal suffering is oikily-dokily? Were the vegetarians supposed to see this thread and censor themselves? I thought this was a discussion forum where all points of view were welcomed. I stand corrected.

You said that people who eat meat are behaving like apes and are equivalent to a sadist who gets his jollies by hurting animals, not as a means to an ends, but as an ends in and of itself. That is, to put it kindly, being preachy.

If you had simply said that you don't get enough joy from the taste of meat or health benefits from the protein in meat to make up for the guilt that you feel from knowing that another creature suffered, I don't think anyone would take issue with that.

Jacks · 01-24-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stang

Pretty funny that your username makes me wanna BBQ a steak....

And you know what goes good with steak?

Spoiler!

MoneyGuy · 01-24-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacks

And you know what goes good with steak?

Fried mushrooms, with steak cooked rare. That's all I want. Oh, and some veggies, of course. Gotta get those five to 10 a day! Maybe with a baked potato.

Minnie · 01-24-2013, 01:02 PM

This thread is going to be expensive on the pocketbook this weekend. Suddenly feeling a need for some good surf and turf.

JazzyFlame · 01-24-2013, 01:08 PM

i agree with everything devil's advocate has said, I am his advocate...

Does that make me the Devil's advocates advocate?

MoneyGuy · 01-24-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JazzyFlame

i agree with everything devil's advocate has said, I am his advocate...

Does that make me the Devil's advocates advocate?

No, it makes you the Devil's Advocate's advocate.

Minnie · 01-24-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JazzyFlame

i agree with everything devil's advocate has said, I am his advocate...

Does that make me the Devil's advocates advocate?

No, it makes you his me-too.

stang · 01-24-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JazzyFlame

i agree with everything devil's advocate has said, I am his advocate...

Does that make me the Devil's advocates advocate?

No it makes you wrong too.

Tinordi · 01-25-2013, 10:52 AM

How to give up meat, if you're a meat lover:

http://grist.org/food/flesh-choice-a...-giving-it-up/

LChoy · 01-25-2013, 01:24 PM

As an aside, I got an oyster shucking knife for Christmas. Once you get the hand of it, it's pretty easy to shuck your own oysters at home. Cheaper than going to a restaurant for oysters.
In the context of this thread though, is it worse to be boiled alive, or have your shell pried open and having the knife sever the muscle used to open and close the shell?