...Absoloutly nothing in the bible forbids gay marraige incidently, the bible is only (arguably) concerned with sex acts, there would be absoloutly nothing wrong with two men getting married but living in abstinance.
Wrong. The biblical definition of marriage which presupposes, and is conditional upon copulation, would absolutely preclude the possibility of same-sex unions.
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Wrong. The biblical definition of marriage which presupposes, and is conditional upon copulation, would absolutely preclude the possibility of same-sex unions.
I cannot think of any scripture that mandates sex within a marriage to define marriage.
Well this thread certainly got derailed quickly by Mikey, who I gotta say is so adament against gay marriage I've concluded he must be a ridiculously large closet case. Generally speaking the more the person is against gay rights, the bigger the homo they are.
You're right, ....I am adamant that changing the definition of marriage to suit about 2.5% of the population to be silly. Of that 2.5% (rough homosexual population), about 5% of them actually get married.
The amount of attention the issue gets is so out of proportion it amazes me.
It's ironic that people will defend homosexual marriage/rights and in the same breath use homosexuality as an insult toward me....lol
I cannot think of any scripture that mandates sex within a marriage to define marriage.
A marriage becoming "official," or "recognized by God" at consummation is a fairly common held belief amongst some Christians. It's not the only one, though, but is supposedly supported by Genesis 2:24.
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That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
I'm not in the bible business, as Textcritic is, though, so I wouldn't be able to say if that was what he was referring to or not, or if there's more to it than that (I am sure there probably is).
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The amount of attention the issue gets is so out of proportion it amazes me.
A human right issue is never blown out of proportion.
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It's ironic that people will defend homosexual marriage/rights and in the same breath use homosexuality as an insult toward me....lol
We're all friends with MRCboicgy, so it's cool.
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You're right, ....I am adamant that changing the definition of marriage to suit about 2.5% of the population to be silly. Of that 2.5% (rough homosexual population), about 5% of them actually get married
You're right, ....I am adamant that changing the definition of marriage to suit about 2.5% of the population to be silly. Of that 2.5% (rough homosexual population), about 5% of them actually get married.
The amount of attention the issue gets is so out of proportion it amazes me.
It's ironic that people will defend homosexual marriage/rights and in the same breath use homosexuality as an insult toward me....lol
If it's such as minor and inconsequential an issue as you claim it is, why do you care if gay people you don't even know get married?
When Canada legalized gay marriage in 2005, how was YOUR life diminished in any way whatsoever?
Lewis Black did this bit 6 years ago and you'd never know, considering it's sadly still just as relevant and also mentions a younger crazy Rick Santorum
Ok smartguy, here's your task. You made a claim that homosexuals are promiscuous. You were challenged to provide supporting evidence to back up this claim so readers can verify that it's not just something you pulled out of your ass. You have so far failed completely to link to any studies that indicate the average homosexual is more promiscuous than the average heterosexual. If you want to prove that you don't run away from conversations, go ahead and link to a peer-reviewed study on human sexual behaviour that supports your contention that gays sleep around more than straights.
Here is a site that shows a collection of the "lifestyle" differences between homosexual couples and married couples.
Now I'll warn you....the site is called "Family Research Council". I'm sorry if this comes off as too right wing or christian or whatever.
"Since gay couples really differ only in that both partners are of the same sex, what rational basis exists for denying them full marriage rights?"
".....the evidence indicates that "committed" homosexual relationships are radically different from married couples in several key respects: · relationship duration · monogamy vs. promiscuity · relationship commitment · number of children being raised · health risks · rates of intimate partner violence
Finally, this paper will present evidence from gay activists themselves indicating that behind the push for gay marriage lies a political agenda to radically change the institution of marriage itself."
"A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than one hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than one thousand sexual partners."
"The Dutch study of partnered homosexuals, which was published in the journal AIDS, found that men with a steady partner had an average of eight sexual partners per year."
Note - The "Bell and Weinberg" study numbers seemed awful high to me, so believe it or not I checked other sources that pointed out a couple flaws to their study.
"A Canadian study of homosexual men who had been in committed relationships lasting longer than one year found that only 25 percent of those interviewed reported being monogamous." According to study author Barry Adam, "Gay culture allows men to explore different...forms of relationships besides the monogamy coveted by heterosexuals."
" In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison reported that, in a study of 156 males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years:
Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships."
This made me laugh. Gotta love the stability of 50% of all marriages ending in divorce. Those straight folk sure do know how to keep a family together.
Yeah exactly, the nuclear family in the west has been severely downgraded over the years. Marriage rates are down, out of wedlock births are routine now, and the replacement fertility number is anywhere from 1.3-1.7 in most modern, western nations (including western Europe). You need a fertility rate of 2.2 to replace both parents (the .2 is to compensate for accidental premature child death) for a stable population. This is the real reason why we need such a high number of immigrants for the economy.
They did know how to keep a family together before cultural marxism became so deeply ingrained into American culture (eg. radical feminism).
I look at this, and I can't help but think "It's hard enough making a relationship work in the first place. Having everyone stick their nose in and giving their (generally very negative) opinion sure can't help it."
Kinda related:
I just saw this Visit America ad on TV, and could have sworn I saw a gay couple on it - super, uber quickly.
Turns out, I was right - @ 32-second mark
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They did know how to keep a family together before cultural marxism became so deeply ingrained into American culture (eg. radical feminism).
I can't begin to imagine what "cultural marxism" is or how "radical feminism" could be an example of it (unless of course "cultural marxism" simply means everything that mikey the redneck has an irrational hatred of.)
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I wish I had time to check all the sources this article cites but at first look many cite news articles that refer to a book or paper instead of the book or paper itself, odd isn't it?
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1. Robert Gebeloff and Mary Jo Patterson, "Married and Gay Couples Are Not All that Different" Times-Picayune(November 22, 2003).
5. Adrian Brune, "City Gays Skip Long-term Relationships: Study Says," Washington Blade (February 27, 04): 12.
11. "Sexual Habits of Americans Have Changed Dramatically in Ten Years: New National Survey Finds Both Men and Women More Committed and Caring" PR Newswire (August 4, 1994)
16. Ryan Lee, "Gay Couples Likely to Try Non-monogamy, Study Shows," Washington Blade(August 22, 2003): 18.
etc..
Also, I'm not a statistician but it seems wrong comparing percentages between US census data and survey's/interviews of homosexuals ranging from 156 to 7800 people.
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