2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Saqe]

Like is Conroy even selling Markstrom at this point. They are right there in the playoff race.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Like is Conroy even selling Markstrom at this point. They are right there in the playoff race.

The good old Calgary Flames special - just barely hanging around, but still outside the playoffs.

A tradition you can really set your watch to!

[NegativeSpace]

Personally, I think people are too worried about the results in any individual season whether this one or next season. It seems to me that the philosophy from management to stop bleeding draft picks, focusing on getting younger, and asset management of UFAs (either sign at a value the team sets or trade them) is a stark contrast compared to the last decade of Flames management. The team looks better in less than a calendar year with the change in philosophy alone. I find that shift in focus exciting.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Like is Conroy even selling Markstrom at this point. They are right there in the playoff race.

You realize, the Flames are looking to trade their top pairing dman (Tanev and Hanifin)

Once that is done,

A person would have to think, Flames might fall back in the standings some what.

Long term plan vs a bubble team maybe reaching the playoffs.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes, those are not hills to die on for either side.

Not sure I agree. You can make a presuasive argument that Marky's value to the Flames for the balance of the contract outweighs anything short of an over pay.

He might get Flames in the playoffs this year, and could the next two. That's worth millions. Coupled with the millions we would retain the next two years and it's kind of a stupid business proposition to do the trade Fitz wants unless we get a bounty back.

Even though it's not my money, I'm happy it's my GM who is being the hard ass here. It sets a good precedent too. Good way to start a long GM career.

[DoubleK]

I don't think a billionaire is much concerned about getting a couple million dollars for making a round or two of the playoffs.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by flambers

You realize, the Flames are looking to trade their top pairing dman (Tanev and Hanifin)

Once that is done,

A person would have to think, Flames might fall back in the standings some what.

Long term plan vs a bubble team maybe reaching the playoffs.

Don't be myopic, Marky's value extends past this playoff race.

We don't know who is coming back in these UFA trades either, we might get enough reinforcements to keep us in the race, or the weight of pending UFA speculation could come off and the team might start playing even better. Too many variables to know for sure either way.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

The good old Calgary Flames special - just barely hanging around, but still outside the playoffs.

A tradition you can really set your watch to!

Everyone’s good at something

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I don't think a billionaire is much concerned about getting a couple million dollars for making a round or two of the playoffs.

That's why you are not a millionaire, and you obviously have never done deals with an Edwards owned business either.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I don't think a billionaire is much concerned about getting a couple million dollars for making a round or two of the playoffs.

I would think, its more likely they want a strong team when the new building opens.

(i.e. retooling)

In my view, Flames only have 2 years left with Markstrom (i.e. after this season)

If they can get the correct package, they should move the asset.

When his value is at the peak

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I don't think a billionaire is much concerned about getting a couple million dollars for making a round or two of the playoffs.

You don’t think there would be any ego involved,

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

That's why you are not a millionaire, and you obviously have never done deals with an Edwards owned business either.

if that was the plan why trade the UFAs?

When the next two are traded, this will impact the team

[midniteowl]

In Katz case, most definitely yes!

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Agreed

I think in the offseason you could see a goalie trade market that includes:

Ullmark
Saros
Markstrom
Thompson
Gibson
Binnington

And then you also have the following veteran free agents:

Cam Talbot: .913
Jonathan Quick: .916
Anthony Stolarz: .925
Laurent Brossoit: .922
Alex Nedeljkovic: .915
Kaapo Kahkonen: .901
MA Fleury: .899

Suddenly teams looking for a goalie in a trade have other top end options available potentially if Ullmark and Saros hit the market. And while none of those free agents are long term solutions, the Devils might think it's better to keep the assets, and just sign a veteran that can play 40 games and share the net with Daws.

I've made way too many posts about this in the past week, but I really can't shake the feeling that the Flames really missed an opportunity to sell Markstrom at peak value to the Devils a week or two ago, and potentially were too focused on a single player as the return.

Yeah, gotta agree on this.

If Markstrom played like this last year this team would have made the playoffs easily. He cost us big time.

Now he's bounced back and it's costing the team again, but in a different way. Now it's costing us a high draft pick and a legit chance at maybe getting a top line player or superstar at or near the top of the draft board.

The least the Flames could do is cash in on his amazing rebound season and not only get themselves some more future pieces, but also inevitably improve their draft position in the upcoming draft.

It's hard to be too upset though because despite all the rumors out there, the bottom line is we don't really know what offers were rejected or what return was actually on the table.

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by flambers

if that was the plan why trade the UFAs?

Because the one that we want to keep and offered a contract to doesn’t want to sign.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by traptor

That's scary to me.
Missed playoffs last season and got 16th OA. Currently out of playoffs and would be picking 14th oa. We're supposed to be happy with this next year?

Isn't the mushy middle the worst spot to be? When did people become happy with this.

They weren't predicting the Flames would be in the mushy middle next season. They were saying they could see the Flames turn things around quickly, given the pieces they have and performance they've shown over the last while, and be similar to the Canucks of this season. I'd be happy with that, so I guess we can agree to disagree on that?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Because the one that we want to keep and offered a contract to doesn’t want to sign.

Agreed, If the owner wanted playoffs or else

GM would be a buyer instead of a seller. (clearly not the plan)

After the deadline, the Flames could have 2 or 3 key players gone from their roster.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

Personally, I think people are too worried about the results in any individual season whether this one or next season. It seems to me that the philosophy from management to stop bleeding draft picks, focusing on getting younger, and asset management of UFAs (either sign at a value the team sets or trade them) is a stark contrast compared to the last decade of Flames management. The team looks better in less than a calendar year with the change in philosophy alone. I find that shift in focus exciting.

What choice did they have? Some guys wanted out like Toffoli and Zadorov and other guys were UFAs and wouldn't sign like Lindholm and Hanifin. This team would have signed Lindholm and Hanifin if they could have but neither were willing to sign. Both were made offers. So a team out of the playoffs trading UFAs and players who requested trades isn't really some major change in philosophy. It was basically forced upon them. I'm glad it all played out this way but I'm taking a wait and see approach to how they proceed moving forward when the decision isn't obvious or forced on them. Not trading UFAs AND missing the playoffs would be an absolute disaster. I just having a feeling old Murray is going to give Conroy the orders to speed things up and get back to mediocrity as quick as possible. I'd love to be wrong buy I've yet to see patience from these guys ever.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by activeStick

They weren't predicting the Flames would be in the mushy middle next season. They were saying they could see the Flames turn things around quickly, given the pieces they have and performance they've shown over the last while, and be similar to the Canucks of this season. I'd be happy with that, so I guess we can agree to disagree on that?

Yeah I guess I just don't see the turn around coming that fast.
The biggest issue with this current roster is the lack of top end talent.
We arguably don't have one legitimate top line forward right now.

I don't see how we're solving that by next season.


The Canucks are completely different scenario then the flames for me. They have a young elite core and they just needed to get over the hump.
We don't have a Hughes and a Pettersson. MAYBE we have a Demko calibre young tender in Wolf but it will probably be a few years until he could be an elite 1A if everything goes well.

Our situation is more similar to how Nashville and the Blues have been operating. Sold some pieces and consistently battling for a wildcard. I'd prefer we diverge from that path as I don't see either as a serious threats now or in the near future.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah I guess I just don't see the turn around coming that fast.
The biggest issue with this current roster is the lack of top end talent.
We arguably don't have one legitimate top line forward right now.

I don't see how we're solving that by next season.


The Canucks are completely different scenario then the flames for me. They have a young elite core and they just needed to get over the hump.
We don't have a Hughes and a Pettersson. MAYBE we have a Demko calibre young tender in Wolf but it will probably be a few years until he could be an elite 1A if everything goes well.

Our situation is more similar to how Nashville and the Blues have been operating. Sold some pieces and consistently battling for a wildcard. I'd prefer we diverge from that path as I don't see either as a serious threats now or in the near future.

You should defer judgment until at least Mar 9 and maybe even after the draft.