April 23 2012: Alberta Provincial Election

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Is that the "I never though I'd vote PC" video? Can't see cause I'm at work and it blocks videos.

yes it is.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Strategic voting does not work.

I guess I'm the only one who remembers Joe Clark beating Eric Lowther...

[Senator Clay Davis]

All I keep hearing about the PC video on the interweb is how bad the acting is in it. Like apparently comically bad.

[c.t.ner]

The http://www.ineverthoughtidvotepc.com/ I Never Thought I'd vote PC is an interesting thing.

I'm sure someone is going to try and dig it up, but I'm curious if it is an actual PC campaign. I know the WRP is going to say it is, but I'd really like to know. It's really just a rehash of the StuffHarperSaid campaign (it even hints at it the footer link).

As someone supporting the PCs, I'd be disappointed to hear if it was a PC sponsored site. If it's an organic site that some people threw up of their own accord, then whatever. Good on them. It's directed at the under 30 voters and the SHD site didn't really do much to sway the overal vote.

I've had a look at the code and it seams rushed at best. I've had issues with how the PCs have run the campaign, but even I don't think they would be swift enough to put something like this together. Heck, they finally put something (Griffith's Rock The Vote video -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHywFK8u6OE) that is at least interest and launch it during the last week of the campaign.

[Jacks]

http://www.legermarketing.com/admin/...il_17_2012.pdf

New poll from Leger.
Wildrose 42%
PC 36%
NDP 10%
Liberal 9%
Alberta Party 2%
Green 0.3%
Other 1%

Leger had a poll on the 8th showing the parties tied for the lead when the other pollsters were showing a 12-14 point WR lead. This poll seems to be the correction showing the last poll was an outlier.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by c.t.ner

The http://www.ineverthoughtidvotepc.com/ I Never Thought I'd vote PC is an interesting thing.

I'm sure someone is going to try and dig it up, but I'm curious if it's a PC campaign. I know the WRP is going to say it is, but I'd like to know. All it really is a rehash of the #####HarperSaid campaign (it even hits at it the footer link).

As someone supporting the PCs, I'd be disappointed to hear if it was a PC sponsored site. If it's an organic site that some people threw up, then whatever. Good on them. It's directed at the under 30 voters and the SHD site didn't really do much to sway the overal vote.

I've had a look at the code and it seams rushed at best. I've had issues with how the PCs have run the campaign, but even I don't think they would be swift enough to put something like this together. Heck, they finally put something (Griffith's Rock The Vote video -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHywFK8u6OE) that is at least interest and launch it during the last week of the campaign.

I think it's insulting to Wildrose and PC supporters alike; and by extension all Albertans.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Jacks

http://www.legermarketing.com/admin/...il_17_2012.pdf

New poll from Leger.
Wildrose 42%
PC 36%
NDP 10%
Liberal 9%
Alberta Party 2%
Green 0.3%
Other 1%

Leger had a poll on the 8th showing the parties tied for the lead when the other pollsters were showing a 12-14 point WR lead. This poll seems to be the correction showing the last poll was an outlier.

Correct me if I'm wrong but who exactly would make up "other" besides the Evergreen party? Is there an outlier crazy party I haven't heard of yet?

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Correct me if I'm wrong but who exactly would make up "other" besides the Evergreen party? Is there an outlier crazy party I haven't heard of yet?

Communist, Separtation Party of Alberta, Social Credit and those running as independents.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I think it's insulting to Wildrose and PC supporters alike; and by extension all Albertans.

I agree that to many older WRP and PC supporters it'll really turn them off, it's also why I find it really hard to think it's an official PC sponsored spot.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Wow I wasn't even aware we have an communist party in Alberta (queue the "but isn't it called the Liberal Party? comments)

[Slava]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I think it's insulting to Wildrose and PC supporters alike; and by extension all Albertans.

I agree that its not a great video, but I am curious to know what's insulting? I didn't watch it too carefully, so I'm wondering what I missed by doing other stuff while it played.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Slava

I guess I'm the only one who remembers Joe Clark beating Eric Lowther...

To say Joe Clark won that riding because of strategic voting is an insult to Joe Clark. He hit the pavement harder than anyone and won that riding as a result of good, old-fashioned, campaigning.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

To say Joe Clark won that riding because of strategic voting is an insult to Joe Clark. He hit the pavement harder than anyone and won that riding as a result of good, old-fashioned, campaigning.

I'm not saying he didn't work for it, but lets be rational. That was strategic voting all the way and a pure "anyone but Lowther" campaign. I would actually suggest that Hinman winning in Glenmore in the byelection is another good example where people wanted to "send Ed a message" just like his signs said.

You can point to examples where strategic voting doesn't work, but there are definitely cases where it does as well. Thats the glory and stupidity of FPTP all wrapped in one IMO.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Slava

I agree that its not a great video, but I am curious to know what's insulting? I didn't watch it too carefully, so I'm wondering what I missed by doing other stuff while it played.

The way it portrays Albertans.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by First Lady

The way it portrays Albertans.

So its offensive to liberals as well then?

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Slava

So its offensive to liberals as well then?

I'd say so.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jacks

http://www.legermarketing.com/admin/...il_17_2012.pdf

New poll from Leger.
Wildrose 42%
PC 36%
NDP 10%
Liberal 9%
Alberta Party 2%
Green 0.3%
Other 1%

Leger had a poll on the 8th showing the parties tied for the lead when the other pollsters were showing a 12-14 point WR lead. This poll seems to be the correction showing the last poll was an outlier.

Interstingly, when you look at the numbers, it looks like a statistical dead heat in Calgary and Edmonton. It all depends on the way voters are distributed in the ridings.

Among Undecided Voters – Party Leaning Towards
Alison Redford’s Progressive Conservative Party of Alberta
20%
Danielle Smith’s Wildrose Party
14%

Decided Voters
Edmonton PC: 35% WRP: 33%
Calgary PC: 40% WRP: 43%



The margin of error for the regional findings is higher at…

o Edmonton ±4.6%

o Calgary ±4.6%

o Rest of Alberta ±5.7%

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Knalus

I'd say so.

Ok, again then whats offensive about this? Otherwise I'm going to have to watch the video...c'mon help a brother out!

[troutman]

Originally Posted by First Lady

The way it portrays Albertans.

You don't normally fire six-shooters into the air?

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

All I keep hearing about the PC video on the interweb is how bad the acting is in it. Like apparently comically bad.

You are hearing correctly.