Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Sled

1. No, but they are innocent until proven guilty. EM has been bashed in this thread and online (more so on social media content than CP)

2. Victims are not coming forward because the cases are being dropped and people with history are free to repeat. Feeling of futility due to career criminals getting away scott free. So what chance would a victim have of accusing someone without a history at all. I want stiffer sentences for both types of criminals.

3. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/.../00007-eng.htm (Table 2) Edit: WE SHOULD Read the info and trends and educate OUR selves rather than listen to someone else's take on them is what I'm trying to say.

4. You have a point there.

5. Unfortunately the stats point otherwise. To many to give enough attention too.

6. Yes, the Liberals love giving money away to foreign entities with little value to Canada. Scale back foreign spending and protect the people who's money it is that is being donated with little to no oversite even. A Farmer shouldn't feed their neighbors if their own children are dying of starvation. A Canada at the top of GDP lists has a duty for foreign aid, a Canada at the bottom should fix what's broken in Canada.

7. Sensualize is not the right word, Grand Standing. Media with paywalls, connect creators trying to make a name for themselves for eventual profit. Profits are more import then facts it seems these days. Reassuring people that the opinion they already formed is correct is more important than displaying the facts in an unbiased presentation.

In my experience Journalism in Canada is an absolute joke today. It's either bought and paid for political party propaganda (CBC and Rebel present the facts to engage their audience for profit and clout) or a narrative driven buy foreign owned hedge funds to drive profitable opinions for themselves and their investors. Postmedia.

If they are found guilty, hit them HARD with results of their actions and send a real message. If they are found innocent then I hope they take this experience and speak out how close they came to losing everything so the next generation has more respect for themselves and the public they are around. More important, speak out that victims need to come forward because it's not always futile and there are loads of people out there who want justice for those victims. Including me.

Apologies, I'm a conversationist not a novelist so my points don't always land the way I want in writing.

Equating CBC with Rebel is a big, big tell.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

At a guess, the point of Steenbergen’s testimony might be that there may have indeed been consent … FOR THOSE ACTS INITIATED BY HER…but NOT ones that were not so initiated (the “splits” or the gonad tub on her face). Consent can be given and withheld at any time would be the argument.

We DO NOT KNOW the remainder of the evidence, and I doubt that the Crowns are stupid.

Most people are discussing the evidence presented thus far and not claiming to know what is coming next. Although yeah, a few people seem to want to make generalizations or conclusions.

It hasn't been great past few days for the prosecution. Doesn't mean they are stupid at all. But also, let's be honest, some major pieces of evidence (group chat, eye witness, victim's testimony) have been presented.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Apparently the guys sobered up really fast when they suddenly realized…something. Like that they may well not have had consent.

(Only women can have regrets? Seems specious to me.)

Not what I meant. Of course guys can have regrets but guys don't usually make rape allegations so I didn't feel the need to include men in my post. Doubt they sobered up and not sure what you were implying either.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I still go back to the accusers response early in her testimony when asked about her egging them on, and she said; "The fact I was doing that should have indicated how out of it I was..." (paraphrasing). She didn't outright deny doing it. At that point, I realized this wasn't going to be that straight forward.

Did she not also say she was 'playing the porn star' to try to 'survive/get out of' the situation? If that is the case and the Crown can 'corroborate' that, probably via an expert witness, they may need to establish that these specific actions occurred. It may be a case of losing several evidentiary points to develop a larger, more valuable point.

[Sled]

"Equating CBC with Rebel is a big, big tell."

If your thought is I don't trust either companies motive's, then I guess I shouldn't play poker with you.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Sled

"Equating CBC with Rebel is a big, big tell."

If your thought is I don't trust either companies motive's, then I guess I shouldn't play poker with you.

One of those is not even remotely close to the other.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by fotze2

We are nerds though and hockey players lean to the bully side of the spectrum.

This isn't 1998. Everyone is on the internet.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Sled

"Equating CBC with Rebel is a big, big tell."

If your thought is I don't trust either companies motive's, then I guess I shouldn't play poker with you.

Thinking one is as bad as the other and the two are on diametric scales of bias and influence is a tell on your media literacy.

It's like not trusting your dentist to assess your cavity because the unhinged hobo near Marlborough Mall told you fillings emit radar pings to summon semen stealing leprechauns that visit you in the night and make you infertile.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by OminousFlames

This is a very liberal messageboard, so it doesn't surprise me at all.

You think a hockey message board full of white guys working in oil and gas is liberal? If we seem liberal it’s because conservatives have objectively gone fascist.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Yeah, sane conservatives are grouped into the left nowadays by Danielle Smith's transphobic separatist foot soldiers.

[Ryan Coke]

If you think this message board doesn’t lean left then you’re a little naive.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by BigThief

This isn't 1998. Everyone is on the internet.

That said, not many people are on traditional forums like these anymore.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by troutman

You think a hockey message board full of white guys working in oil and gas is liberal? If we seem liberal it’s because conservatives have objectively gone fascist.

In the last provincial election, the UCP won around 50 per cent of the popular vote in Calgary. Given the gender split in voting these days, safe to say they won considerably north of 50 per cent among men in Calgary.

Reading the stances taken by the most active posters on this site, would you guess most of them voted UCP?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

In the last provincial election, the UCP won around 50 per cent of the popular vote in Calgary. Given the gender split in voting these days, safe to say they won considerably north of 50 per cent among men in Calgary.

Reading the stances taken by the most active posters on this site, would you guess most of them voted UCP?

Which illustrates why the average Albertan would look at this board and view it as left-leaning or very liberal. And illustrates, knowing what we know about the average Albertan and UCP voter, why that assessment is largely meaningless.

The problem is that many of these people aren’t aware of their own extreme bias and comfortably live in a far right bubble.

[Sled]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Thinking one is as bad as the other and the two are on diametric scales of bias and influence is a tell on your media literacy.

It's like not trusting your dentist to assess your cavity because the unhinged hobo near Marlborough Mall told you fillings emit radar pings to summon semen stealing leprechauns that visit you in the night and make you infertile.

It's not worth the energy, to explain how wrong you are lamb. Peace be with you! Truly

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

If you think this message board doesn’t lean left then you’re a little naive.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

I would say that this board is consistently progressive and fact based with lots of well educated people.

It’s why the people that come here and try to spew hate, misinformation and bigoted views always get ripped to shreds.

Funny enough the former has come to be associated with liberals and the latter with conservatives. Well that and being fascist Nazi sympathizing pieces of ####.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Someone said this isn't the thread for jokes, but it is the thread to come to if you like getting triggered by bad jokes.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Completely unnecessary post.

Everyone in that picture looks like a perfectly normal human being, and this comment is unnecessary even if they weren't.

They're totally not. They're just not. Look at them bro. And this is them looking their best for the camera.

I get that we're trying to have a civil discourse, but we're also trying to keep the conversation factual.

[dieHARDflameZ]

How about taking the politics pissing match back to the correct thread?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

They're totally not. They're just not. Look at them bro. And this is them looking their best for the camera.

I get that we're trying to have a civil discourse, but we're also trying to keep the conversation factual.

Are you even being serious?? Bro?