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Roof-Daddy · 03-25-2016, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I think the problem regarding cap space is outline with your post though. There is simply no cap space to make the team better and it would probably be worse as we'd be without Hudler and Russell for the year.

Well time will tell if Jokipakka can fill the void Russell leaves, but so far I like his chances.

Also, this mock up should have better goaltending, which would definitely improve the team.

However, this is why a great many of us would like to see Wideman moved out, then you can use his cap space to improve the top six and make up for Hudler's absence, or maybe even improve on Hudler.

EDIT: Which would at the same time free up a spot for Nakladal or Wotherspoon or maybe a darkhorse Dman.

TheScorpion · 03-25-2016, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This mock up has them spending $5 million on goalies, not $2 million. That's easily done IMO.

Ah, makes more sense. Thanks

hockey.modern · 03-25-2016, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

Pittsburgh doesn't have a first. I wonder if that Dallas pick is enough to get us Matt Murray?

Otherwise we could probably package Wideman @50% retained + Florida's 2nd/Our 3rd to get another 1st

Matt Murray is not getting traded. Especially with an upcoming expansion draft, I highly doubt they elect to go with Fleury over him.

Flash Walken · 03-25-2016, 01:24 PM

Raymond needs to be bought out.

Flames need the waiver flexibility more than they need to pay raymond a bunch of money to clog things up over the summer/during camp/to start the year.

The last thing you want is raymond getting hurt in camp so you can't send him down to start the season.

Raymond is negative value. You save cap in the short term by buying him out (which calgary will need to be competitive) and you save a contract/roster spot to give you more flexibility over the course of the summer.

Goodbye MayRay, it was swell.

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-25-2016, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Call me crazy, but I think Raymond will be a top 6 fixture next year. Contract year + awakening after being demoted.

You're crazy

TheScorpion · 03-25-2016, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Raymond needs to be bought out.

Flames need the waiver flexibility more than they need to pay raymond a bunch of money to clog things up over the summer/during camp/to start the year.

The last thing you want is Raymond getting hurt in camp so you can't send him down to start the season.

Raymond is negative value. You save cap in the short term by buying him out (which calgary will need to be competitive) and you save a contract/roster spot to give you more flexibility over the course of the summer.

Goodbye MayRay, it was swell.

I agree that he needs to be bought out. How many buyouts do we have? It resets every summer, if I'm correct?

It's completely blanked on me.

TheScorpion · 03-25-2016, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Call me crazy, but I think Raymond will be a top 6 fixture next year. Contract year + awakening after being demoted.

Yeeeah, no. Not happening.

I was hoping that this past offseason, but Raymond's completely fallen off the map.

Sorry for the two posts in a row.

MarkGio · 03-25-2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Matt Murray is not getting traded. Especially with an upcoming expansion draft, I highly doubt they elect to go with Fleury over him.

People are making it sound like expansion is a certainty? Besides, Pittsburgh is not going to put Crosby/Malkin's last year's in the hands of rookie, especially a rookie unknown in the playoffs.

I could see it if they were planning on rebuilding their core.

Lanny_McDonald · 03-25-2016, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

People are making it sound like expansion is a certainty? Besides, Pittsburgh is not going to put Crosby/Malkin's last year's in the hands of rookie, especially a rookie unknown in the playoffs.

I could see it if they were planning on rebuilding their core.

I would expect an announcement before the draft. The league wants a full cycle of draft, free agency and a trade deadline before the expansion draft. To make that work without the Vegas building sitting vacant for a year the league will have to make an announce prior to this draft or have the process drag out another year.

Alberta_Beef · 03-25-2016, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Well time will tell if Jokipakka can fill the void Russell leaves, but so far I like his chances.

Also, this mock up should have better goaltending, which would definitely improve the team.

However, this is why a great many of us would like to see Wideman moved out, then you can use his cap space to improve the top six and make up for Hudler's absence, or maybe even improve on Hudler.

EDIT: Which would at the same time free up a spot for Nakladal or Wotherspoon or maybe a darkhorse Dman.

I'm not sure goaltending will be much better unless the defense in front of them is also much better. Jokipakka has been solid in his handful of games with us, but I'm not sure he will be a good replacement over a full season, he IMO would ideally play with Engelland. I am also all for moving Wideman but contrary to popular belief being without Wideman & Russell is going the hurt the Flames.

MarkGio · 03-25-2016, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Raymond needs to be bought out.

Flames need the waiver flexibility more than they need to pay raymond a bunch of money to clog things up over the summer/during camp/to start the year.

The last thing you want is raymond getting hurt in camp so you can't send him down to start the season.

Raymond is negative value. You save cap in the short term by buying him out (which calgary will need to be competitive) and you save a contract/roster spot to give you more flexibility over the course of the summer.

Goodbye MayRay, it was swell.

The buyout cap hit of Raymond is just over a million, except it extends his cap hit by one more year. So if the Flames think they can ride out his cap hit next season, they will do that over buying him out. Its only a 2 million cap hit savings. Especially if he helps Stockton make the playoffs.

Roof-Daddy · 03-25-2016, 02:58 PM

Raymond with 50% retained is only $1.575 million, so maybe there's a slight chance BT can move him to a budget team that likes their cheap reclamation projects. Would be like a 1 year try out to see if he'd be a better fit for that team, and that's not a lot of dough relatively speaking.

Teams like Arizona, Winnipeg, Carolina, Nashville or Ottawa.

sureLoss · 03-25-2016, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio

The buyout cap hit of Raymond is just over a million, except it extends his cap hit by one more year. So if the Flames think they can ride out his cap hit next season, they will do that over buying him out. Its only a 2 million cap hit savings. Especially if he helps Stockton make the playoffs.

If he is buried in the AHL, a buyout is only roughly a million in cap savings for next year followed by a million in dead cap space the next season.

May not make any sense to buyout Raymond.

saillias · 03-25-2016, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Raymond needs to be bought out.

Flames need the waiver flexibility more than they need to pay raymond a bunch of money to clog things up over the summer/during camp/to start the year.

The last thing you want is raymond getting hurt in camp so you can't send him down to start the season.

Raymond is negative value. You save cap in the short term by buying him out (which calgary will need to be competitive) and you save a contract/roster spot to give you more flexibility over the course of the summer.

Goodbye MayRay, it was swell.

I do think a buyout is coming but suspect it will be a defenseman or Stajan

dammage79 · 03-25-2016, 03:07 PM

Sureloss pondered Eric Cornel from the Sabres as a target. Bad news, he signed today:

Buffalo Sabres ‏@BuffaloSabres 1m1 minute ago
NEWS: The Sabres have signed Eric Cornel (@ecornel10) to an entry-level contract. Details: http://bufsabres.co/hq5ty4

Flash Walken · 03-25-2016, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

I do think a buyout is coming but suspect it will be a defenseman or Stajan

you will want to keep stajan next season in order for his cap to count for expansion exposure. He's a solid asset in that regard in my opinion.

Enoch Root · 03-25-2016, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Raymond with 50% retained is only $1.575 million, so maybe there's a slight chance BT can move him to a budget team that likes their cheap reclamation projects. Would be like a 1 year try out to see if he'd be a better fit for that team, and that's not a lot of dough relatively speaking.

Teams like Arizona, Winnipeg, Carolina, Nashville or Ottawa.

Raymond in the minors is only $2.2M on the cap. Can't imagine them paying another team for him to play for them, in order to save $600k in cap space

AcGold · 03-25-2016, 03:16 PM

If someone is dumb enough to play Raymond you take the deal, he's very similar to Baertschi imo. Talent with no compete.

Flash Walken · 03-25-2016, 03:21 PM

At this point Raymond wishes he was as good as Baertschi.

Roof-Daddy · 03-25-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Raymond in the minors is only $2.2M on the cap. Can't imagine them paying another team for him to play for them, in order to save $600k in cap space

Yeah, but you get an asset (admittedly probably not much of one) and the player gets a chance to reboot his career with another organization. Plus, then he's not down in Stockton chewing up developmental ice time instead of our prospects.