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Old 04-24-2023, 08:33 PM   #2541
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I like how they keep pointing out the immature Kurtzman dialogue of SNW. One of the reasons its off-putting to me
Go to 59:45 where they talk about the black construction paper.
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Old 04-24-2023, 10:30 PM   #2542
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Who was I arguing with about the Galaxy class’s ability to fly like a starfighter? It’s canon now and I’m vindicated! Bubble shields forever!

Spacedock absorbed a ridiculous amount of firepower. Hundreds of ships firing nonstop for hours like that would be enough to glass every major planet in a quadrant.
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Old 04-25-2023, 08:34 AM   #2543
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S3 was a giant Rise of Skywalker middle finger to S2 and 1 right? new cast wiped and forgotten, Jurati Borg irrelevant, Q's just like "not ded lol". wonder how that all played out behind the scenes having Kurtzman's babies smothered in the crib.
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Apparently it's going over much the same way Mandalorian did, which was much the same sort of middle finger to the entire sequel trilogy.
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S3 was a giant Rise of Skywalker middle finger to S2 and 1 right? new cast wiped and forgotten, Jurati Borg irrelevant, Q's just like "not ded lol". wonder how that all played out behind the scenes having Kurtzman's babies smothered in the crib.
I think it's more a middle finger to S1 tbh. Because Matalas was co showrunner of S2, then jumped off to start working on S3, and Akiva Goldsmen showran the second half of S2.

So they used S2 to shuffle most of the Micheal Chabon characters from S1 off, expect Raffi who was tied to Seven.

This season they even basically did a 180 on the Rikers on Nepethene now that Thad was dead.
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I did kind of snicker around the whole destroy the space station thing, which is the Maginot line in space.



How about fly around it and assimilate earth first?
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I did kind of snicker around the whole destroy the space station thing, which is the Maginot line in space.



How about fly around it and assimilate earth first?
My impression from a couple of the scenes is that Earth has a planetary shield which is being powered/projected from SpaceDock.....

Which also doesnt make a ton of sense but its Star Trek so we just roll with it.
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I did kind of snicker around the whole destroy the space station thing, which is the Maginot line in space.



How about fly around it and assimilate earth first?
they seemed to imply that Spacedock is tied to the planetary shield. I didn't even know they had Star Wars style globe encircling shields like that.
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also, Young Adults Nu Borg's idea of assimilation is glassing the planet from orbit. I don't even think that jives with the Queen's claim that the Borg's future is evolution, not assimilation.
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also, Young Adults Nu Borg's idea of assimilation is glassing the planet from orbit. I don't even think that jives with the Queen's claim that the Borg's future is evolution, not assimilation.
This is the other thing I find ridiculous....the Galaxy is a giant place, like...unfathomably big.

Why even bother messing with the Federation? You could go assimilate some Neanderthals on the other side of the Universe or something.

"These guys are going to fight back, screw this noise lets go assimilate someone else over here."
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This is the other thing I find ridiculous....the Galaxy is a giant place, like...unfathomably big.

Why even bother messing with the Federation? You could go assimilate some Neanderthals on the other side of the Universe or something.

"These guys are going to fight back, screw this noise lets go assimilate someone else over here."
That's why I don't like First Contact or anything to do with Borg Queens. Gone is the cold, calculating, unsympathizing collective that you could not appeal to you could not argue with, you could not reason with. Resistance was truly futile as they wouldn't even listen to you.

Borg Queens all seem like ego trip individualist bitc**** and all they do is yell at Picard and whine and do ego-based things like want to have revenge on Starfleet and kill all humans instead of using them as resources to further their collective goals.
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That's why I don't like First Contact or anything to do with Borg Queens. Gone is the cold, calculating, unsympathizing collective that you could not appeal to you could not argue with, you could not reason with. Resistance was truly futile as they wouldn't even listen to you.

Borg Queens all seem like ego trip individualist bitc**** and all they do is yell at Picard and whine and do ego-based things like want to have revenge on Starfleet and kill all humans instead of using them as resources to further their collective goals.
I hear you, but I understand structurally in the screenplay why those chose to do that.
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This is the other thing I find ridiculous....the Galaxy is a giant place, like...unfathomably big.

Why even bother messing with the Federation? You could go assimilate some Neanderthals on the other side of the Universe or something.

"These guys are going to fight back, screw this noise lets go assimilate someone else over here."
They want your technological and biological distinctiveness.
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I always felt the Borg logic was that the Federation offered so much in regards to numbers of different species as well as unique technologies it made them a very tantalizing target. The other Alpha/Beta Quadrant empires, while close to equal in power, were much more singular in their makeup.

I think by the Voyager/Post Voyager time period, the fact that the Federation appears to be a major road block that the Borg have struggled to overcome, the assimilation becomes a priority because "holy #### can we imagine if we assimilated this? We'd be even more unstoppable!" Also if they take the Federation, the rest of the Alpha/Beta Quadrant is pretty much a cake walk.
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Now this is Trek discussion! I love it! Hook it to my veins!
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No, this is pod racing.
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"holy #### can we imagine if we assimilated this? We'd be even more unstoppable!"
I've just realized that the Borg are Highlander as a species. There can only be one!
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I always felt the Borg logic was that the Federation offered so much in regards to numbers of different species as well as unique technologies it made them a very tantalizing target. The other Alpha/Beta Quadrant empires, while close to equal in power, were much more singular in their makeup.

I think by the Voyager/Post Voyager time period, the fact that the Federation appears to be a major road block that the Borg have struggled to overcome, the assimilation becomes a priority because "holy #### can we imagine if we assimilated this? We'd be even more unstoppable!" Also if they take the Federation, the rest of the Alpha/Beta Quadrant is pretty much a cake walk.
Yet they only sent one cube in at a time.
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Can anyone tell me why the Borg in the cube were starving? I didn’t understand that part.
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I have to agree and forward Sureloss' argument here; if the borg were actually very interested in assimilating the federation, they could have probably done so by sending 5-6 cubes at once. We know they're capable of amassing forces like this, Voyager flew past a fleet of 9 cubes at one point. Seven is present as the borg assimilate a world with multiple cubes as well (seemingly a much less advanced target than the federation...)

Yeah, the federation was far, far away from regular borg space. And there are also some relatively powerful enemies between them and the federation (the romulans, pre destruction of romulus at least, for example). Yet, with transwarp technology it shouldn't have been a real issue to make an overwhelming assault on earth a priority if the borg REALLY wanted to do it.

IMO there's a bit of a farming element going on, similar to Icheb's planet. The federation is pumping out new ideas and new technology at a pretty unreal clip. The borg might be quite content to let them thrive far away and just occasionally go in for a nice harvest of fresh biological and technological distinctiveness. We're like a raspberry patch.
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