2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But they need to solve their goaltending issues for the season's ahead not just the current one.

Who else is available in the next year or two?

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Toonage

This will raise hackles I'm sure, but if this is the return they're looking at, I go back to Noah with 8x$8.5

Yep, I'm glad he just said "no".

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Who else is available in the next year or two?

I don't think it's a next year or two thing. It's a now or this summer thing.
The UFA market for this summer isn't that great. Unless they want to take a chance on a veteran like Talbot.
I think the x-factor would be if Boston puts Ullmark out there and chooses to go with Swayman as their #1.

If Ullmark comes on the market, i can see Yzerman shifting his focus to him. But Philly could also be interested.

[Flamesfan05]

Very rare good goalies become available

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Who else is available in the next year or two?

Who the hell knows? Last year who predicts Markstrom is a hot commodity at this time.?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think both sides are probably trying to evaluate what happens in the off-season
- For NJ does the price go down because it's one less season of retention, and the lack of the trade deadline pinch point?
- For Calgary does the price go up because there are potentially more suitors with more cap space to deploy? For instance does Philly enter the fray. Or is the price less because the lack of trade deadline leverage.
- And for Calgary, as Bingo has noted, is there motivation to move Markstrom to ensure a top 10 pick next year. (which might happen anyways just because the blueline absent Hanifin and Tanev will be god awful)

I just can't believe NJ is choosing not to address this. Obviously I say that not knowing the offers on each side but they should be in their contention window, and capitalizing on some of the cheaper entry level deals they have on key players. Allowing the lack of netminding to undermine that would frustrate me insanely if I was a Devils' fan when it is so clear that it is the very thing that is holding the team back.

I honestly don't see how the market will get better in the offseason.

1) Goalies always seem to be undervalued in the offseason, tend to be more valuable when teams are actually feeling the effects of bad goaltending.

2) You will only get 2 playoff appearances of Markstrom, instead of potentially 3 playoff appearances.

3) I just don't see there being that many more suitors in the offseason:

- New Jersey
- LA

And then maybe you add Buffalo, Carolina, Colorado, Edmonton, and Ottawa to the mix. But I think some of those teams won't have
interest due to his age.

I don't know I really feel like the Flames had a bit of a perfect storm here with New Jersey and Brodeur really valuing Markstrom, and I do think insisting on Mercer as the return could end up being a mistake.

[Erick Estrada]

The Kings will definately be goaltender hunting in the offseason as both of their goaltenders are UFA. They are the organization that should be going hard after Markstrom right now because going into the playoffs with Rittich/Talbot is not very appealing.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I mean some of this could come down to if the Flames actually even like Holtz. We don't know what their scouting book on him is. If he's the main piece being offered up, and Calgary just doesn't think highly of him, then that could be what's in the way.
I could see it being "we are fine with the deal with Holtz in there but not with the retention you are requiring".
That's what makes this complicated. It's not just the value of Markstrom, it's the value of the retention.

[Royle9]

I think Holtz has a great shot to become a top 6 winger, his projection as a scoring threat was higher than that of Coronato.

Part of the issue is he's been underutilized in NJ, I think he would flourish in Calgary.

[Heavy Jack]

I think the wrinkle is the additional years of retention; NJD are basing the cost off of one year of retention and the Flames are saying well hey now, it’s gotta be more because of the 2 extra years which is a fine sticking point. I think if they’ve been as far down the path as they’ve been that this does eventually cross the finish line and gets done. Props to Conroy for sticking to his guns on this one.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I honestly don't see how the market will get better in the offseason.

1) Goalies always seem to be undervalued in the offseason, tend to be more valuable when teams are actually feeling the effects of bad goaltending.

2) You will only get 2 playoff appearances of Markstrom, instead of potentially 3 playoff appearances.

3) I just don't see there being that many more suitors in the offseason:

- New Jersey
- LA

And then maybe you add Buffalo, Carolina, Colorado, Edmonton, and Ottawa to the mix. But I think some of those teams won't have
interest due to his age.

I don't know I really feel like the Flames had a bit of a perfect storm here with New Jersey and Brodeur really valuing Markstrom, and I do think insisting on Mercer as the return could end up being a mistake.

If they passed on Holtz+ trying to squeeze out Mercer it feels like a huge miscalculation.

I guess it just means they really don't have a strong appetite to move Markstrom if holtz+ is an offer they could resist.
It's been said again and again, we might as well believe it.

This team is focused on getting younger but also strongly prioritizing remaining competitive.

I hope this mindset doesn't hinder our future too drastically.

[BrownDrake]

Originally Posted by traptor

If they passed on Holtz+ trying to squeeze out Mercer it feels like a huge miscalculation.

I guess it just means they really don't have a strong appetite to move Markstrom if holtz+ is an offer they could resist.
It's been said again and again, we might as well believe it.

This team is strongly prioritizing remaining competitive.

I hope this mindset doesn't hinder our future too drastically.

I think Conroy has pretty much told us all what he's looking for, a 22-23 year old center. That probably takes some draft capital or some of our current pieces (Hanifin, Tanez, Markstrom etc.) to acquire or to the get the pieces to acquire one at a later date. I'm guessing but a guy like Holtz, although talented, likely isn't on the want or need list.



We will get our young centerman sometime over the next 6 months, they probably have 2 to 3 targets, likely Mercer is one of them but who knows.


I hope heads don't explode here when some of these draft picks are sent away in a trade to acquire a known piece at the draft.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Kings will definately be goaltender hunting in the offseason as both of their goaltenders are UFA. They are the organization that should be going hard after Markstrom right now because going into the playoffs with Rittich/Talbot is not very appealing.

Even then...what does the best LA package probably look like...they traded their firsts each of the past two seasons, aren't moving Clarke, and are even more cap crunched than New Jersey.

Markstrom (50% retention)

for

Turcotte/Kaliyev
2024 or 2025 1st
B Prospect (don't see anybody as good as Casey they'd be willing to move)
Some type of cap dump

The "rumored" jersey package is still better than that IMO.

I don't know, really just feels like New Jersey is the best partner for a trade here and the Flames may have squeezed too hard.

I get why Nashville would require an absolute overpayment for Saros, he's 28 years old and is having the first average season of his career, but he could still have 6 or 7 years of being an elite goalie left.

But to me requiring that same level of "overpayment" for Markstrom is a mistake, and is overvaluing his strong play on this team right now.

Markstrom is 34 and getting anything substantial in return for him is a huge win. He's having an elite season...but it's still a guy you signed as a UFA who has a .908 save percentage over his 4 seasons as a Flame (ranks 26th in the NHL, Saros is .917 over the same time period).

If Holtz + 1st ++ is on the table that trade should have been completed already.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

So who here works for ESPN?

Add bonus of reminding me that the Oilers have a $3.225m cap hit next year for Connor Brown because he played 10 games this year. Between that and still another year on James Neal's buyout - they've already lit $5 million of next year's cap on fire.

[Major Major]

And Campbell buyout/burried.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Add bonus of reminding me that the Oilers have a $3.225m cap hit next year for Connor Brown because he played 10 games this year. Between that and still another year on James Neal's buyout - they've already lit $5 million of next year's cap on fire.

Goodness and he still doesn't have a goal?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Major Major

And Campbell buyout/burried.

And another $225k for Perry playing 10 games, and $650k for Holloway making opening night roster.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Add bonus of reminding me that the Oilers have a $3.225m cap hit next year for Connor Brown because he played 10 games this year. Between that and still another year on James Neal's buyout - they've already lit $5 million of next year's cap on fire.

You forgot Campbell who is in the minors:

Campbell: $3.85M
Brown: $3.225M
Neal: $1.92M
Other Bonuses: $0.875M

So that's ~$9.8M wasted on that team in the final year of Draisaitl's contract.

Looking that that team and next year is going to be tough for them. $72M spent for next year already with only 13 players signed.

Foegele, Janmark, Brown, Gagner, Perry, Pickard, and Desharnais are all UFAs. Holloway is an RFA.

Foegele and Janmark have been very effective for them this season for a combined $3.75M

[iamca]

Lots of speculation and names being thrown around, but I’m looking forward to a decent return for Hanifin first and foremost.

Hopefully Conroy is focused on working the other GMs on getting the best return for both Hanifin and Tanev, since they are the pending UFAs.

Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make. Markstrom may be a summer trade at this point and the return might work out better.


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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The reason Hanifin hasn't signed has nothing to do with money. Throwing an extra million a year isn't going to change his mind, it is a desire to go play back south of the border.

While I'm sure the essence of what you're saying is correct, I also am willing to believe that he has a price that would entice him to stay.

Ted DiBiase knew what he was talking about.