2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I live in Ontario and have lots of leaf friends. Your last para is what they think, they can just torture him out of town. Not sure that will work. But the idea that the Leafs wants to trade Marner because he is one dimensional and does not show up in the playoffs and that there is another team that wants to give up a haul for a one dimensional player who does not show up in the playoffs is somewhat contradictory.

At the end of the day I think Marner will do whatever is best for him to maximize his salary for his next contract. That has always been the calling card for the Toronto core and I am not sure why that would change now. If being traded to Columbus is that move in his mind then maybe he waives to a non-contender. But I suspect he and his agent know a solid playoff performance is worth 10-15 million USD on a 7 year contract, so for that reason. I doubt he goes to a non-contender.

I’m not sure he’s strictly one dimensional, he kills penalties. He’s 27, there’s still a lot to be written here. And the one dimension he does bring has him at the top of the league in his position.

It’s also contradictory to read here that some posters are calling him one dimensional while at the same time his next contract is going to be $12-13M. Seems to me he’s got to have more than one dimension if that’s the case.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think you could get Marner for Markstrom, Mangiapane, and Vancouver's 1st.

I don’t think the Leafs take that. They need top pairing or at least top 4 D and dangling Marner is their best chance at getting one that’s worth while, I think.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t think the Leafs take that. They need top pairing or at least top 4 D and dangling Marner is their best chance at getting one that’s worth while, I think.

I doubt Marner waives for Calgary anyhow but you are probably right.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Who is getting hosed in this deal? Interested is anyone thinks this value is somewhat close.

To Toronto: Andersson+Markstrom
To Anaheim: Marner+9th overall pick
To Calgary: Zegras+3rd overall pick.

Toronto adds a starting goalie and partner for Reilly signed super cheap. If they can add Stamkos in free agency they would be nicely retooled.

The Ducks try to pull themselves out of a rebuild by adding a legit star and trade back a few spots in the top 10. They move on for Zegras which has been rumored and it would be an understanding a long term extension is coming with Marner.

The Flames get aggressive to move up in the draft and take a shot on Zegras. Honestly I am not a huge fan of his but I was trying to find a realistic third trade partner because I don’t really want Marner on the flames. Perhaps Zegras is someone who work with Huberdeau? I do think Andersson and Markstrom are perfect fits for the Leafs. I think Marner would waive for Anaheim and the Leafs would want to send him west. I also could see Anaheim doing something to signal they are trying to get competitive.

The difference between 3rd and 9th in this years draft is fairly negligible IMO. Not sure there is a huge drop between those slots, as evidenced by the fact that sometimes the same players can be ranked 3rd or 9th depending on the ranking. So that trade from my perspective basically comes down to Anderson and Markstrom for Zegras which is a huge overpay. It sure works for the leafs though.

I would think it makes more sense for the Flames to package Anderson and a 2nd or the Canucks first for another top 10 pick and then see what they can get separately for Markstrom than remain with one top 10 pick and Zegras.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What about Markstrom and Andersson? That's got insane value for the Leafs.

They are a bad trading partner for the Flames though. Markstrom is whatever, conditional 1st etc but Andersson has good value and the Leafs don’t have all that much that is interesting that they’d part with. I also think the Flames get more by dealing them separately

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Who is getting hosed in this deal? Interested is anyone thinks this value is somewhat close.

To Toronto: Andersson+Markstrom
To Anaheim: Marner+9th overall pick
To Calgary: Zegras+3rd overall pick.

Toronto adds a starting goalie and partner for Reilly signed super cheap. If they can add Stamkos in free agency they would be nicely retooled.

The Ducks try to pull themselves out of a rebuild by adding a legit star and trade back a few spots in the top 10. They move on for Zegras which has been rumored and it would be an understanding a long term extension is coming with Marner.

The Flames get aggressive to move up in the draft and take a shot on Zegras. Honestly I am not a huge fan of his but I was trying to find a realistic third trade partner because I don’t really want Marner on the flames. Perhaps Zegras is someone who work with Huberdeau? I do think Andersson and Markstrom are perfect fits for the Leafs. I think Marner would waive for Anaheim and the Leafs would want to send him west. I also could see Anaheim doing something to signal they are trying to get competitive.

Leafs still walk away like bandits. Marner isn’t going to get that value back.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Who is getting hosed in this deal? Interested is anyone thinks this value is somewhat close.

To Toronto: Andersson+Markstrom
To Anaheim: Marner+9th overall pick
To Calgary: Zegras+3rd overall pick.

Toronto adds a starting goalie and partner for Reilly signed super cheap. If they can add Stamkos in free agency they would be nicely retooled.

The Ducks try to pull themselves out of a rebuild by adding a legit star and trade back a few spots in the top 10. They move on for Zegras which has been rumored and it would be an understanding a long term extension is coming with Marner.

The Flames get aggressive to move up in the draft and take a shot on Zegras. Honestly I am not a huge fan of his but I was trying to find a realistic third trade partner because I don’t really want Marner on the flames. Perhaps Zegras is someone who work with Huberdeau? I do think Andersson and Markstrom are perfect fits for the Leafs. I think Marner would waive for Anaheim and the Leafs would want to send him west. I also could see Anaheim doing something to signal they are trying to get competitive.

Personally, I wouldn’t be targeting Zegras. If people think Marner is one dimensional…..

Having 3 at this years draft seems like it’s just as good as 6 or 8 or 9. There’s little consensus on who goes where between 3 to about 10 from what I’ve seen. I’ve seen Carter Yakumchuk anywhere from 3 to outside top 10, for example. So unless the Flames have prioritized someone, I don’t think it makes much sense.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not sure he’s strictly one dimensional, he kills penalties. He’s 27, there’s still a lot to be written here. And the one dimension he does bring has him at the top of the league in his position.

It’s also contradictory to read here that some posters are calling him one dimensional while at the same time his next contract is going to be $12-13M. Seems to me he’s got to have more than one dimension if that’s the case.

He will get that at UFA because he is a UFA. Someone will give that to a player when the acquisition cost is zero. When the acquisition cost is serious assets from your current roster why would a team do that? A rebuilding team could just wait and see if he becomes available. A contending team would not have the cap space. I just see no real maket for him that wants to give the leafs a haul in assets.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He will get that at UFA because he is a UFA. Someone will give that to a player when the acquisition cost is zero. When the acquisition cost is serious assets from your current roster why would a team do that? A rebuilding team could just wait and see if he becomes available. A contending team would not have the cap space. I just see no real maket for him that wants to give the leafs a haul in assets.

Well, it’s kind of like the Tkachuk deal, I think. For that to happen, the Panthers had to move out salary in Huberdeau and Weegar.

Similarly, I don’t think the leafs would want a futures based package in return. I think they see their window as now and will be looking for players, most specifically D, who help them now.

[Aarongavey]

I would think the value for Marner would be similar to the value the Hawks got for Panarin.

They traded a 25 year old Panarin, plus a 6th and Tyler Motte and received a 24 year old Brandon Saad, a 5th and Anton Forsberg. The Hawks were able to trade him anywhere which was one difference and Panarin cost far less in terms of money compared with Marner. Blue Jackets had the opportunity to sign Panarin longterm but knew they had him for a minimum of two years.

But some value similar to that would be my guess at what Marner is worth.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t think the Leafs take that. They need top pairing or at least top 4 D and dangling Marner is their best chance at getting one that’s worth while, I think.

No way the Leafs take that. They need a top-pairing defenceman and they’re not trading Marner without one coming back. They also don’t need Markstrom.

Edit: Quoted the wrong post but obviously I agree. Marner goes nowhere without a solid Dman coming back. I also think people here overrate Markstrom.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would think the value for Marner would be similar to the value the Hawks got for Panarin.

They traded a 25 year old Panarin, plus a 6th and Tyler Motte and received a 24 year old Brandon Saad, a 5th and Anton Forsberg. The Hawks were able to trade him anywhere which was one difference and Panarin cost far less in terms of money compared with Marner. Blue Jackets had the opportunity to sign Panarin longterm but knew they had him for a minimum of two years.

But some value similar to that would be my guess at what Marner is worth.

Oooff.

Panarin had two seasons under his belt topping out at 77 points. Marner has six seasons in a row at over 90 ppg production.

I know it’s fashionable to slag the Leafs, and right now Marner, but as far as production goes, Marner is a top 3-5 RW in the game. He’s worth quite a bit, I’d say.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by madmike

No way the Leafs take that. They need a top-pairing defenceman and they’re not trading Marner without one coming back. They also don’t need Markstrom.

Edit: Quoted the wrong post but obviously I agree. Marner goes nowhere without a solid Dman coming back. I also think people here overrate Markstrom.

I suspect you might be right on Markstrom. I think the Devils rumors whipped everyone up into a fervour here on what Markstrom’s value should be. I’d be pleasantly surprised if you got a top tier prospect for him or anything more than a pick earlier than 20. Kings at 21 might be it, maybe.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They are a bad trading partner for the Flames though. Markstrom is whatever, conditional 1st etc but Andersson has good value and the Leafs don’t have all that much that is interesting that they’d part with. I also think the Flames get more by dealing them separately

Probably. I meant Marky and Andersson for Marner. 2 for 1 and the Leafs get an instant balance to their roster.

I'm not all that interested in Marner if I'm honest but I see the value of adding a skilled forward like him. Flames need a bit more pizzazz.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by madmike

No way the Leafs take that. They need a top-pairing defenceman and they’re not trading Marner without one coming back. They also don’t need Markstrom.

Edit: Quoted the wrong post but obviously I agree. Marner goes nowhere without a solid Dman coming back. I also think people here overrate Markstrom.

How in Earth do you figure they don't need Markstrom? Samsonov is terrible and Woll is constantly hurt and has hardly any playoff experience. The Leafs will definitely be interested in Markstrom this off season

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Oooff.

Panarin had two seasons under his belt topping out at 77 points. Marner has six seasons in a row at over 90 ppg production.

I know it’s fashionable to slag the Leafs, and right now Marner, but as far as production goes, Marner is a top 3-5 RW in the game. He’s worth quite a bit, I’d say.

He is also paid almost twice as much as Panarin was at the time. The salary cap is a real thing in the NHL. I suspect that value will be a lot closer to Panarin than the equivalent of 3 first round picks when his monster cap hit and his ability to block a trade is taken into account.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Oooff.

Panarin had two seasons under his belt topping out at 77 points. Marner has six seasons in a row at over 90 ppg production.

I know it’s fashionable to slag the Leafs, and right now Marner, but as far as production goes, Marner is a top 3-5 RW in the game. He’s worth quite a bit, I’d say.

Contracts matter and Panarin was cheaper with an extra year to go. Plus a couple years younger (and obviously with a high ceiling).

[cannon7]

Trading for Marner would be the most Flames thing ever. Hopefully that era is over.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Probably. I meant Marky and Andersson for Marner. 2 for 1 and the Leafs get an instant balance to their roster.

I'm not all that interested in Marner if I'm honest but I see the value of adding a skilled forward like him. Flames need a bit more pizzazz.

Not now. If you want to trade Andersson I'm open to the idea, but for prospects and picks, not one year of Marner.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Trading for Marner would be the most Flames thing ever. Hopefully that era is over.

The discussion started with a three way trade:

Markstrom, Andersson and the Canucks 1st to Toronto for Marner.

Flames then flip Marner to Utah for 6OA and Barrett Hayton