Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Sure but the Sabres aren't exactly dealing from a position of strength here.

They've got a disgruntled star who wants out, and not only that but he's damaged goods with a massive cap hit and contract that comes with him.

An aspect Hackey continues to ignore even though it’s constantly referred to when he questions these biased flames fan proposals.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The issue I see with these trade proposals is that they are from Flames fan perspectives where you're trying to determine if the value is correct while ignoring what Buffalo would actually want...

Meanwhile, you continue to petulently ignore what Buffalo can expect to get in this deal. Just because they want a "one for one top prospect" it won't guarantee that they get it. By all reports so far the offers have been much, much lower than that, and the longer this goes on tbe lower the offers will get.

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[dammage79]

I'd rather the Flames went elsewhere for their big trade. They aren't rebuilding that much is obvious. But the sticker price for Eichel should scare any sane person for what you'd be getting in return.

I know what I'd pay for his services. And I hope that threshold doesn't get passed if a trade does happen.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd rather the Flames went elsewhere for their big trade. They aren't rebuilding that much is obvious. But the sticker price for Eichel should scare any sane person for what you'd be getting in return.

I know what I'd pay for his services. And I hope that threshold doesn't get passed if a trade does happen.

What would you pay?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Coronato is probably the Flames top prospect. At worst I think he is probably on the same level with Zary, so he would definitely have the necessary value to be a centerpiece in an Eichel deal.

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I know that’s why I was saying with Pelletier and Coronato as well. He didn’t want to lose one. For an Eichel trade I’d be expecting to lose 2 or one of our top 3 or too many first rounds. Combination of them.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by memphusk

What would you pay?

Mangiapane
Pelletier
Wolf
1st

That's what they're asking for in terms of cap hit and pieces (young players, a top prospect and a middle prospect and a pick)

Zary I wouldn't let go of because he may end up a center.
I wouldn't let Coronoto go because he just got drafted, is a RHS and a potential to be a center. He's a unicorn and if Eichel ends up being a dud, they need some hope for center in the system.

If they want more than that, I walk away. I'm being fair to their asking price and fair to the our team by dealing from a position of strength (LW and Goaltending) and not dealing from positional weakness.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Sure but the Sabres aren't exactly dealing from a position of strength here.

They've got a disgruntled star who wants out, and not only that but he's damaged goods with a massive cap hit and contract that comes with him.

Doesn't matter. You think Monahan is the best they can do?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Meanwhile, you continue to petulently ignore what Buffalo can expect to get in this deal. Just because they want a "one for one top prospect" it won't guarantee that they get it. By all reports so far the offers have been much, much lower than that, and the longer this goes on tbe lower the offers will get.

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Wishful thinking that no team would offer anything better than Monahan.

[stemit14]

I also think the level of protection on the first round pick could be a sticking point for Buffalo. If they look at the duchene deal and the karlsson deal, it was the first round pick that ended up being the real steal in the trades. Those picks ended up being in the top 10 of the draft.

I could see teams like Calgary pushing for top five or even top ten protection. Buffalo would be pushing for no protection at all but likely settling with top 3 protection.

The reality is that the pick should have more protection than previous trades for top players (duchene, Karlsson, etc.) due to the fact that eichel will miss significant time this coming season because of his serious injury. Giving up assets to acquire him and not having him for the first 2 or more months of the season could have a huge impact on the momentum the team is able to build. This could make that pick a very dicey asset to give up.


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[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Mangiapane
Pelletier
Wolf
1st

That's what they're asking for in terms of cap hit and pieces (young players, a top prospect and a middle prospect and a pick)

Zary I wouldn't let go of because he may end up a center.
I wouldn't let Coronoto go because he just got drafted, is a RHS and a potential to be a center. He's a unicorn and if Eichel ends up being a dud, they need some hope for center in the system.

If they want more than that, I walk away. I'm being fair to their asking price and fair to the our team by dealing from a position of strength (LW and Goaltending) and not dealing from positional weakness.

Not far off. I think Mangiapane had the same value as Monahan (or close to it) because of age/contract/potential.

I’d just say they don’t want Wolf because they just got the equivalent of him in Devon Levi. I’d say the equivalent of a second rounder in that slot.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Wishful thinking that no team would offer anything better than Monahan.

Monahan +++ though right…?? Also you think Monahan has less value than Riley Smith??? Vegas has the best reported offer on the table and it’s Riley Smith as the ‘Monahan’ in the deal… I don’t get the angle that Monahan has negative value I think he’s criminally underrated on this forum and it’s laughable at times how often it’s forgotten just what kind of scoring he’s done and consistently for most of his career. It’s not helping that I’m starting to read your posts in Kenny Powers voice and tone.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd rather the Flames went elsewhere for their big trade. They aren't rebuilding that much is obvious. But the sticker price for Eichel should scare any sane person for what you'd be getting in return.

I know what I'd pay for his services. And I hope that threshold doesn't get passed if a trade does happen.

There is nobody available with his potential...sure there is risk, like everything else.

There is risk of brining back the same team and just missing the playoffs too

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Not far off. I think Mangiapane had the same value as Monahan (or close to it) because of age/contract/potential.

I’d just say they don’t want Wolf because they just got the equivalent of him in Devon Levi. I’d say the equivalent of a second rounder in that slot.

This is a problem I have when posters want to bash Monahan. Mangiapane, who is developing alright, has a total of 77 career points to Monahan's 439, he is 25 to Monahan's 26, so not necessarily younger. Monahan has played against other teams top pairing D and number 1 lines for most of his career so let's give the guy some credit.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They is nobody available with his potential...sure there is risk, like everything else.

There is risk of brining back the same team and just missing the playoffs too

Well they're not bringing back the same team already are they?

We all want something else to happen to one of the big 3 core guys still. And that can happen .

But even if they walk into the season as is, it already is a vastly different team from last year.

Still doesn't negate the fact Eichel is probably too high of a risk to pay what they'll pay for him. A greater risk than almost anything else. And yes, the payoff would be huge as well. But Holy cow he is not the saviour.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Doesn't matter. You think Monahan is the best they can do?

Quite possibly. Which better roster players are rumored to be on the block for Eichel?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well they're not bringing back the same team already are they?

We all want something else to happen to one of the big 3 core guys still. And that can happen .

But even if they walk into the season as is, it already is a vastly different team from last year.

Still doesn't negate the fact Eichel is probably too high of a risk to pay what they'll pay for him. A greater risk than almost anything else. And yes, the payoff would be huge as well. But Holy cow he is not the saviour.

Why not?

people go on about needing a top 3 pick to win...here it is #2 overall

guy would have gone #1 almost any other year too

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why not?

people go on about needing a top 3 pick to win...here it is #2 overall

guy would have gone #1 almost any other year too

Amen.

People hating on JE the player mystify me.

What on earth do you consider a piece that could help the Flames up front if the guy that went neck and neck with McDavid isn't that?! Jfc.

These people just subconsciously want us to toil in mysery.

Probably had nay sayer parents that would never let them have anything nice, now they just project that same #### on every fun situation they see.

Goal in competitive spots isn't to play it safe in the 7th-10th zone, its to win. And Eichel is a damn good player and would be one of the best centers to ever play for this team if he came.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why not?

people go on about needing a top 3 pick to win...here it is #2 overall

guy would have gone #1 almost any other year too

While I agree, I still don’t see us making a trade for Eric Johnson.
The overall part is stupid, but I believe Eichel would have went number one over Matthews. Other than Mcdavid he has been the top player drafted in a very very bad situation. Players like Mcdavid can do it by himself. I’m counting on Eichel to need a supporting cast but within that cast it makes them better than a Mcdavid could ever make a line.

I go all in on this guy and beat the highest bidder.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

These people just subconsciously want us to toil in mysery.

You apparently have a magical ability to know the motivations of other people who aren't even aware of those motivations themselves. Or else, you know, you're peddling BS. I'm betting the latter.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

This is a problem I have when posters want to bash Monahan. Mangiapane, who is developing alright, has a total of 77 career points to Monahan's 439, he is 25 to Monahan's 26, so not necessarily younger. Monahan has played against other teams top pairing D and number 1 lines for most of his career so let's give the guy some credit.

No one is bashing what Monny has done in his past, it has been impressive.

There are a number of posters ( me included) who feel that rival GM’s will look through his past production and concentrate on his most recent less productive years until he proves himself healthy and productive this year.

Which effectively means he’s a poor trade piece today as his value needs to be re-established.


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