I sometimes look at how a player is used. Jost was named captain so expectations were fairly high that he would be a big part of this team based on previous history. He's also centring the #1 line and is out on the PP and the PK so that says a lot to me.
I had a chance to see Jost and Fabbro twice when they came to Trail. Both times they were impressive players. Jost just drives constantly. He is in on every play when he is on the ice, and is a constant danger. Extremely effective 2-way player.
Fabbro is a calming presence. No real downside to his game.
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if guys like Nylander, Tkachuk and Dubois, not to mention the DMen are available for Calgary, it would be a shock to pick Jost in the top 8
imo at least...
Ryan Johansen was a "shock" ahead of Brett Connolly.
Mark Scheifele was a "shock" ahead of Sean Couturier.
I hope our scouts take full advantage of what it really means to draft high (the free option to choose who they think will make the best pro) rather than succumb to the pressure of drafting the most hyped names or who might appear the most ready to contribute right away.
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Nylander not being a good skater is just ridiculous. I see him play in the OHL all the time and he has an absolute explosive take off. He also has unreal agility and great edge work. Skating is certainly not an issue. He is not Gaudreau fast but I would say he is a faster skater than Monahan.
One of my biggest worries about him is, well his in your face, bang em up style work in the NHL, there is also the potential for injuries with him and from what I have read is that most his points(assists) are all secondary scoring. I am not professional scout or anything like that, this is just a feeling, Tkachuk might become the best player from draft, for all I know.
I really don't think he will be an injury issue, he plays like Sam Bennett except he is a better passer than Bennett, Bennett has a higher hockey IQ and more skilled. The secondary assist thing is ridiculous, he has a very good eye for seeing plays develop and nice soft hands. He is not going to be a big power forward but he certainly will be a top 6 guy who can bang some bodies, win board battles, and make some nice passes. He also has a nice shot. Nothing wrong with this kid at all.
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Looks like it'll be Canada vs Nylander's Swedes on Saturday (6 pm?) and Puljujarvi's Finns will take on Keller, Brown, Bellows and the Americans (2 pm?). Couple good match ups there with a lot of prospects worth watching. Hopefully these games will be more competitive than most of the quarterfinals were.
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Boy this U18 sure hasn't clarified as much for me as I thought it was going to.
-Chychrun has been a little underwhelming to me. I'm not sure I see #1 d-man upside in him. I wouldn't be scared to take him though. He has all the tools, size, strength, skating, shot, passing. Seems to make some poor decisions occasionally and bobbles the puck occasionally. In the end I'm not going to be hoping we take him but I won't be disappointed if we do.
-Fabbro has been outstanding. Such a crisp puck mover. Nice long reach defensively and offensively. Is he top 10 worthy? Is he one of the top few d-men in this draft?
-Jost has been outstanding. I'm having a hard time knowing where to rank him though. 8-12 range perhaps?
-McLeod has been disappointing. Looks like a mid teens pick to me
-Sergachev looked pretty good. Top 10
-Nylander still seems to have consistency issues. Monster points one game, nothing the next. Guess we see him next on Saturday vs our fairly solid defense.
Gonna be interesting to see the rankings that come out after the U18s from Redline, Button, Bob Mackenzie, etc.
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Ryan Johansen was a "shock" ahead of Brett Connolly.
Mark Scheifele was a "shock" ahead of Sean Couturier.
I hope our scouts take full advantage of what it really means to draft high (the free option to choose who they think will make the best pro) rather than succumb to the pressure of drafting the most hyped names or who might appear the most ready to contribute right away.
yeah and Bennett and Monahan fell exactly where most everyone pegged them.
what's your point?
I hope the scouts pick the best player available, like every single poster on this board...Jost is having a good tournament - does that mean he should leapfrog all the other kids we've been talking aobut?
yeah and Bennett and Monahan fell exactly where most everyone pegged them.
what's your point?
I hope the scouts pick the best player available, like every single poster on this board...Jost is having a good tournament - does that mean he should leapfrog all the other kids we've been talking aobut?
I don't think so. He's about as Jankowski a pick as I've seen. Giving him a massive boost up the ranking because of the U18's seems premature. Could see him go 16-20. But that might be a sign of a weaker draft too.
Jost will go top 10 IMO. He is just so tenacious. I recall Nick Fuher saying Jost is one of the most coachable players he has ever seen. He could tell Tyson to skate into the boards until he breaks through, and he'd do it. His coachability combined with his skill makes him a force. Size be damned. I'd be willing to take him at 6 if Dubois and Chychrun are gone. I seriously think he is going to end up one of the best players out of the draft.
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yeah and Bennett and Monahan fell exactly where most everyone pegged them.
what's your point?
My point is if we picked Larkin instead of Bennett or Ristolainen instead of Monahan it would still have been an amazing pick? Let's not be "shocked" whoever they pick because they did a lot of homework and due diligence beyond looking at CSS rankings.
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I hope the scouts pick the best player available, like every single poster on this board...Jost is having a good tournament - does that mean he should leapfrog all the other kids we've been talking aobut?
Does that mean he was ever actually below those other kids before this tournament?
One tournament is one tournament, that we agree on. But these pro scouts watch these kids in different leagues all year for a reason and it's not in order to blindly follow some pseudo-consensus.
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My point is if we picked Larkin instead of Bennett or Ristolainen instead of Monahan it would still have been an amazing pick? Let's not be "shocked" whoever they pick because they did a lot of homework and due diligence beyond looking at CSS rankings.
Does that mean he was ever actually below those other kids before this tournament?
One tournament is one tournament, that we agree on. But these pro scouts watch these kids in different leagues all year for a reason and it's not in order to blindly follow some pseudo-consensus.
And my point is that if we drafted Julius Honka and Alexander Wennberg instead of Bennett and Monahan they would have been considered reaches when other guys were consistently ranked ahead of them.
I will be "shocked" if he goes to Calgary if Nylander, Dubois, Tkachuk, Chychrun, Juolevi and Sergachev are still on the board... Its called an "opinion" something each one of us are entitled to...
doesn't mean i won't be cheering for him to make the team however
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Yes, it's an opinion. No, it's not an educated opinion relative to whatever the team decides upon, so being "shocked" would imply a smarter-than-paid-experts attitude. "Consensus" rankings have never been right five years after a draft - that is a fact. Neither have actual draft orders. All that matters is whether it was the right individual pick in retrospect once the player has fully developed. You can follow the consensus and be wrong, you can ignore the consensus and be wrong, you can follow the consensus and be right, and you can ignore the consensus and be right. Being right is what's important.
Being favorable towards certain players before the draft is natural, we all have our favorites but be just as prepared for the team going off the proverbial board - because there is no board and they may have seen just one shift enough from Nylander where he looked more like Sam Gagner 2.0 (also a top 10 pick, BTW) than a future first liner. A shift CSS' scouts didn't see. A shift the youtube highlights cut out. That's how fine these gaps between tiers can be. Maybe the scouts have eight players virtually tied all year long and a tournament like U18WC can be the difference between 6 and 14 because it's just enough to break the tie. That's not "rising up the rankings" that's just "a more clear picture".
Anyways
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I don't think so. He's about as Jankowski a pick as I've seen. Giving him a massive boost up the ranking because of the U18's seems premature. Could see him go 16-20. But that might be a sign of a weaker draft too.
Button has him ranked at 12. McKenzie has him at 13 and he seems to be ranked around there by others. I see this tournament as helping his ranking, so I'd also guess he goes top ten. He isn't big but he's very solid and he showed some speed and tenacity on his shortie. He has no problem going into heavy traffic and making plays or scoring. Just a real solid hockey player who you might not notice at first but as he gets things done, he draws your attention.
I don't relate him to the Jankowski pick as he's playing in a much better league, he's higher ranked, he's playing for Canada and is the captain. Jankowski had an outside chance one year but I don't think he even got a invite.
I'm not saying we should draft him but if we did I wouldn't be disappointed. It could be the Canadian players have been under rated again and when push comes to shove, the teams will return to the safer picks.
