2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Toonage]

Training camps open in 3 weeks.

Agreed that we'll see some PTOs, but so far as major trades go? Probably not happening.

I know some folks have said that the off season isn't over etc but realistically the chances of something major have to be slim.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I would take a large bet with someone that Monahan will easily outscore Bennett next year, regardless of who they respectively play with.

To be clear, by outscore, do you mean goals or points?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

To be clear, by outscore, do you mean goals or points?

Either/ both. I really want to see your signature become an ode to Monahan's greatness among flames.

[868904]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think they'll sign Mackey and then sign an addition one or two players - possibly from a PTO.

James Neal is available for top 6 scoring depth!

I'd actually like the Flames to offer sheet Thomas. I think he's got good potential to be a top 6 play driving centre. The Blues will have a tough time matching without making some moves, especially if they won't eat cap on Tarasenko.

Plus, I feel like the Blues are screwing the Flames behind the scenes with Tkachuk so you might as well screw them first. Plus maybe Tkachuk decides to stay after acquiring one of his best buds?

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by 868904

James Neal is available for top 6 scoring depth!

I'd actually like the Flames to offer sheet Thomas. I think he's got good potential to be a top 6 play driving centre. The Blues will have a tough time matching without making some moves, especially if they won't eat cap on Tarasenko.

Plus, I feel like the Blues are screwing the Flames behind the scenes with Tkachuk so you might as well screw them first. Plus maybe Tkachuk decides to stay after acquiring one of his best buds?

With what cap space?

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by mdubz

With what cap space?

The cap space gained by Gio leaving.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by mdubz

With what cap space?

The Flames have about $3 mill with Mackey unsigned.

I doubt Neal would require an amount that the Flames don't have.

The only problem is that I threw up while typing that sentence.

[Toonage]

James Neal pouted, walked out on the team, then got moved to Edmonton and was unanimously disliked here by his teammates (aside from Mike Smith I suppose).

He isn't coming back. Give your heads a shake.

[Monahammer]

Im positive that everyone was referring to potentially offersheeting thomas, not signing Neal.

[Toonage]

I will get off my soap box then

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by SmoggyFlamesFan

The cap space gained by Gio leaving.

The cap space that is already used up? The Flames have 3 mill in cap space right now and need to sign Mackey still.

[dino7c]

Flames could make cap space pretty easy if they were bringing in quality

[868904]

Originally Posted by mdubz

The cap space that is already used up? The Flames have 3 mill in cap space right now and need to sign Mackey still.

They have $3 million with 7 defensemen already signed.

They likely aren't going to have 8 defensemen on the roster.

When Mackay signs, Welinski's contract probably doesn't stay on the cap.

I can't see Mackay's coming in anything more than $1,000,000. He's probably wrangling for a one way, and the Flames are probably only going to give that to him if he takes $750,000.

So, yes the Flames probably have $3 million in cap space, which might be enough to offer sheet Thomas and get the player.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

That was his rookie ####ing season on the Flames rebuild B team.

Monahan bashers are honestly so out to lunch sometimes, meanwhile you hold other players to completely different standards.

Man, you're gonna feel so dumb when he holds his own just fine on another team.

The problem with Monahan’s rookie season is that it’s 8 years later and he’s the same guy now with injuries





So yes if he shoots at 16 percent and plays a full season he is probably going to get 22 goals. Neither is guaranteed and even if he does I’m not sure that’s worth even the cap hit given his poor play driving numbers

[Heavy Jack]

Honestly the absolutes and irrefutable conclusions some of these charts help people commit to are laughable at times IMO… so many variables not being considered too with the past two years being covid gongshows of seasons. Yes… 27 year old Sean Monahan has no chance of ever being the player he was at 18 because computer charts told me so… like that’s a bit much no? I think there is a damn good chance for Mony to still hit 25/25 or even 30/30 again in the right situation.

Look I love leaning into analytics, I love fancy stats and trying to understand them more and more and I do think there is a legitimate place for them but at the same time to write off Monahan as 3rd line fodder who will be lucky to score 20 goals based on those charts again is a laughable conclusion to me.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

That was his rookie ####ing season on the Flames rebuild B team.

Monahan bashers are honestly so out to lunch sometimes, meanwhile you hold other players to completely different standards.

Man, you're gonna feel so dumb when he holds his own just fine on another team.

I think it’s the apologists that are closer to ‘out to lunch’. There’s enough data and sample size on the player to suggest the trend is headed in the wrong direction, and we are likely headed towards fringe 2nd line production unless he gets elite play from his line mates.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Honestly the absolutes and irrefutable conclusions some of these charts help people commit to are laughable at times IMO… so many variables not being considered too with the past two years being covid gongshows of seasons. Yes… 27 year old Sean Monahan has no chance of ever being the player he was at 18 because computer charts told me so… like that’s a bit much no? I think there is a damn good chance for Mony to still hit 25/25 or even 30/30 again in the right situation.

Look I love leaning into analytics, I love fancy stats and trying to understand them more and more and I do think there is a legitimate place for them but at the same time to write off Monahan as 3rd line fodder who will be lucky to score 20 goals based on those charts again is a laughable conclusion to me.

Has the eye test told you otherwise?

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Has the eye test told you otherwise?

I think using the eye test the past 2 seasons on most teams/players should be taken with a grain of salt. I’ve posted before my thoughts on this team and all the turmoil they’ve gone through since the All star break and downward trend of the season we are just two removed from where we put up 5 x 70+ point players and finished 2nd in the league. Disappointing finish that year that was a 180 from the start and I think the Peters fiasco that unfolded the following season tied into that. Throw in a weird covid finish to that year and a weird all covid year the following season and I personally think this roster could surprise a lot of people.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I think it’s the apologists that are closer to ‘out to lunch’. There’s enough data and sample size on the player to suggest the trend is headed in the wrong direction, and we are likely headed towards fringe 2nd line production unless he gets elite play from his line mates.

so the guy with the broken neck that scored 2 goals last year is going to return and be a top 5 player in the league?

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I think using the eye test the past 2 seasons on most teams/players should be taken with a grain of salt. I’ve posted before my thoughts on this team and all the turmoil they’ve gone through since the All star break and downward trend of the season we are just two removed from where we put up 5 x 70+ point players and finished 2nd in the league. Disappointing finish that year that was a 180 from the start and I think the Peters fiasco that unfolded the following season tied into that. Throw in a weird covid finish to that year and a weird all covid year the following season and I personally think this roster could surprise a lot of people.

So if you're downplaying analytics and saying the eye test is iffy the past 2 years, what are you relying on to say Monahan will rebound?