Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread 2

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

People still hide cash in their home and people know it. It's mostly to qualify for social security by not having money in the bank.

Would guess the % of home invasions that aren't targeted at someone who's a criminal is super low. Vast majority of home invasions I read about are some drugged up people going after a drug dealer or someone else likely to have boatloads of money in their house.

Very rare they are going after some grandma who hides money in her freezer.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

There are stupid people everywhere. They just all have guns in the US.

There are stupid people everywhere, but this is also a cultural issue in the US. It's not just the guns. It's the guns and the people.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

People still hide cash in their home and people know it. It's mostly to qualify for social security by not having money in the bank.

No one risks 4 or 5 years in jail for the off chance they found the 1 in a 1000 houses that Grandma has a couple of grand in the night cabinet.

In the 1980's pre cash machines and debit cards every home owner tended to keep a few hundred bucks kicking around, the TV and stereo, even in old and fairly lousy condition were worth good money second hand and most women kept some decent jewellery around, all of that has disappeared, the only thing worth stealing now are phones and tablets and as we never let them leave or side, even when we sleep, they are impossible to burgle, you have to rob them and they are traceable so its a risky crime.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I will disagree slightly, there is no such thing as a home invasion in Canadian law, a burglary is where your house is robbed when you are unaware of it, you are out or asleep, in the garden etc, a 'home invasion' is legally either a robbery or an assault (or both) that is where you are present and their is an impliction of threat in the interaction 'give me your wallet or I will....' is a robbery, kicking in the front door and taking your TV, even if you run away out the backdoor and are unharmed is still a robbery, kicking in your door, stabbing you and taking your TV is a robbery and an assault, if they break into your house and beat you up but dont take anything it is an assault

I was talking basic offence stats classification, not exact CCC violations, but whatever you say. I suppose you'd know better than I.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

I was talking basic offence stats classification, not exact CCC violations, but whatever you say. I suppose you'd know better than I.

I have had to deal with all three multiple times over the years!!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No one risks 4 or 5 years in jail for the off chance they found the 1 in a 1000 houses that Grandma has a couple of grand in the night cabinet.

In the 1980's pre cash machines and debit cards every home owner tended to keep a few hundred bucks kicking around, the TV and stereo, even in old and fairly lousy condition were worth good money second hand and most women kept some decent jewellery around, all of that has disappeared, the only thing worth stealing now are phones and tablets and as we never let them leave or side, even when we sleep, they are impossible to burgle, you have to rob them and they are traceable so its a risky crime.

I was thinking more along the lines of business owners who keep cash around or have it laundered at the bank.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I was thinking more along the lines of business owners who keep cash around or have it laundered at the bank.

How often do people pay by cash even? shops will no doubt keep a float but again robbery is a serious charge, hitting a shop or bank will get you 5 years or more, you will be on film through all of it it just isnt worth the risk for a thousand or so

[SutterBrother]

Opiod epidemic has changed the game though. You can’t attribute rational actions to people who have fried their brains. They have to get $20 for their next meth hit, and the’re happy to stab you to do it, or put a brick through your patio window to grab anything they can see.

I’ve seen video of people stealing the Ring cameras they are being recorded on.

[Wormius]

Well, it would be interesting to see the stats of burglaries with an assault component to see if that supports people’s heightened concerns, or if it’s just the result of a concentration of negative news.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

How often do people pay by cash even? shops will no doubt keep a float but again robbery is a serious charge, hitting a shop or bank will get you 5 years or more, you will be on film through all of it it just isnt worth the risk for a thousand or so

The US is quite different than Canada though. Canadians have adopted debit and credit cards at a higher rate than Americans IIRC.

In theory, basically almost all homes in the US have that $50-100 bucks worth of cash or valuables within 20-30 seconds of entry worth grabbing and stealing. A true burglar isn't going for that, but ones desperate due to addiction might. Same for robbing shops. Most times when they catch a dude who has done that, they've hit a few places until their luck runs out. Most robbers probably don't plan much further than a few hours or days ahead.

Canada is so different. I haven't really ever seen a house with a locked grate on it. But it's so common in the USA and other continents. I could accidentally leave my front door open for hours, return and there's a decent likelihood nothing has happened and my house has not been burglarized.

This is the shooting thread though and IMO, it can't be a great environment to have a vicious cycle of paranoia and gun ownership in a population.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

The US is quite different than Canada though. Canadians have adopted debit and credit cards at a higher rate than Americans IIRC.

In theory, basically almost all homes in the US have that $50-100 bucks worth of cash or valuables within 20-30 seconds of entry worth grabbing and stealing. A true burglar isn't going for that, but ones desperate due to addiction might. Same for robbing shops. Most times when they catch a dude who has done that, they've hit a few places until their luck runs out. Most robbers probably don't plan much further than a few hours or days ahead.

Canada is so different. I haven't really ever seen a house with a locked grate on it. But it's so common in the USA and other continents. I could accidentally leave my front door open for hours, return and there's a decent likelihood nothing has happened and my house has not been burglarized.

This is the shooting thread though and IMO, it can't be a great environment to have a vicious cycle of paranoia and gun ownership in a population.

The home burglarly rate is higher in Canada than US.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Opiod epidemic has changed the game though. You can’t attribute rational actions to people who have fried their brains. They have to get $20 for their next meth hit, and the’re happy to stab you to do it, or put a brick through your patio window to grab anything they can see.

I’ve seen video of people stealing the Ring cameras they are being recorded on.

A few things:

1. Meth isn't an opiod, but I understand your point about drugs in general. When you're additced you're doing whatever is required to get your fix regardless if it's methamphetamine, an opioid, cocaine, or whatever.

2. The need to get $20 for the fix, that doesn't come from breaking into someone's home. That comes from shoplifting at the mall, department store or gas station.

3. There's still honour amoung theives. If someone's breaking into your home it likely isn't random. Even the "career criminal" drug addict doesn't want to harm random people. They just want to live their life, despite the crutch. They'll steal from businesses but generally not from randoms. They're not out breaking into homes and stabbing people for $20. You're buying into fear mongering that doesn't exist.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

The home burglarly rate is higher in Canada than US.

Are they on the increase or decrease?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Are they on the increase or decrease?

decreasing massively, all property crime is decreasing, car thefts have dropped by half since 2000, the only area of crime that is increasing is fraud (online) and mail theft, the rise of the porch pirate

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

People still hide cash in their home and people know it. It's mostly to qualify for social security by not having money in the bank.

Do you mean Welfare? Social Security is in the US, equivalent to CPP, and CPP isn’t means tested.

Let’s try to keep our Canadian information and terminology straight, and if we’re talking about the US be clear about it.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Well, it would be interesting to see the stats of burglaries with an assault component to see if that supports people’s heightened concerns, or if it’s just the result of a concentration of negative news.

Burglaries with assault fall into the home invasion category (though that isn’t an official term). According to Statscan home invasions, including robbery and assault, have been around 23 per 100,000 people.

[Dunnyberg]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So no gun control policy no Earth could control hand guns? Interesting...

Canada has had strict handgun control for decades, and were seeing the same type of gun violence here now.
Edmonton had a similar shooing last year but it didn't get national coverage.

Originally Posted by blankall

Any updates on the motives from the Alabama birthday party shooting? Initially, based on the names of the suspects I thought it might be race related, but after seeing the photos, I doubt that's the case:

I seriously doubt these two legally purchased their guns.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Dunnyberg

Canada has had strict handgun control for decades, and were seeing the same type of gun violence here now.
Edmonton had a similar shooing last year but it didn't get national coverage.

I seriously doubt these two legally purchased their guns.

Why do you seriously think that?

I don’t think you could find a mug shot of anyone and think they had purchased anything, let alone guns, legally.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Why do you seriously think that?

I don’t think you could find a mug shot of anyone and think they had purchased anything, let alone guns, legally.

You know why.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Dunnyberg

Canada has had strict handgun control for decades, and were seeing the same type of gun violence here now.
Edmonton had a similar shooing last year but it didn't get national coverage.

I seriously doubt these two legally purchased their guns.

Two points, Canada has had 4 mass shootings this year so far, the US 101, so know we aren't becoming more like the US

secondly black people are allowed to buy guns in the US, frankly your comment was racist as all get out