[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[Roof-Daddy]

Between Fischy13's inside info, the type of coach Peters is (very strong possession numbers, etc), the fact that he's got back ground working with Treliving and now his name popping up all over in the media, I'm mentally preparing myself for our next coach to be him.

If it does indeed end up being him, I sure hope it works out.

[pepper24]

The Flames should have just hired Bruce Boudreau as everyone expected when they let Hartley go and was the rumour. Flames wouldn't be in the mess they are today and continuing the coaching carousal.

[jg13]

If it's Peters so be in it. but i'd really like some insider info to be leaked that we at least reached out to AV and Sutter and neither were interested.

[cgydom88]

To the folks who voted Bill Peters: give your heads a shake.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by pepper24

The Flames should have just hired Bruce Boudreau as everyone expected when they let Hartley go and was the rumour. Flames wouldn't be in the mess they are today and continuing the coaching carousal.

Pretty much this.

[Mitt31]

I think the flames are a great transition team and can quickly benefit from the trap style that Tippet coaches. So i chose him.

Also need a great PP and i haven't looked at who has the best PP yet under their tenor.

[rooster]

Hope for AV as head coach and they should bring in Joel Otto as a guest coach during training camp to teach how to win faceoffs.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Although when I was listening to Treliving's presser and subsequent interview, I clung onto his "veteran coach" and "that's not an issue" (when asked about money.

Now, while I fully admit that they were leading questions (and what else could he possibly say with regarding the possibility of hiring a coach with a high salary?), I am still choosing to cling onto this.

I just don't think that Treliving can be wrong again. He needs to hire a coach that can come in and right this ship. Can he 'gamble' on a relatively unproven coach who has either never coached in the NHL, or never coached in the NHL as a head coach (only as an assistant), or who only has limited coaching experience in the NHL?

Like I said, I didn't watch the Canes all that much, and they had a fairly up-and-down season themselves (they seemed fairly inconsistent to me), it really does seem like a lateral move in a number of ways.

If it does end up being Peters, well, I will approach the hire with an open mind (as I will with any hire), but there are definitely some flags popping up for me the more I think about it.

Can't wait until we hear about interviews.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Well, to be honest, going with Peters right now would be "smartest man in the room" type thinking.

Sometimes that attitude gets you a Jankowski.

Sometimes it very nearly costs you a Monahan for nothing in return.

There is no doubt that going with Peters would be a mammoth risk from Treliving's perspective.

See I dont think so, but I could be entirely incorrect. No he hasn't got the resume of some of the others mentioned, but again his coaching chops have been praised around the league for years and years. He isn't just showing up now.


I am not advocating for him at all. I certainly prefer someone else as well but only because i think the fit would be terrific for a guy like Trotz.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Mitt31

I think the flames are a great transition team and can quickly benefit from the trap style that Tippet coaches. So i chose him.

Also need a great PP and i haven't looked at who has the best PP yet under their tenor.

I would be shocked if Calgary hired Tippet (period) and he decided that the best course of action would be to use the trap.

The one thing I really like about Tippet that seems to fly over some people's heads here is that he has employed different systems depending on the make-up of his teams. He was a fairly offensive coach in Dallas who ran a bit of an up-tempo system, and even the Coyotes played a fast brand of hockey for a bit until talent became an issue. I think he modified his systems based on what personnel he had available.

That to me, is a sign of a good coach, and one who could potentially have some answers for this team. I just don't think he would even be a consideration (and if the rumors about him from last year are indeed true), I think it wouldn't just be the Flames that would probably skip calling him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by pepper24

The Flames should have just hired Bruce Boudreau as everyone expected when they let Hartley go and was the rumour. Flames wouldn't be in the mess they are today and continuing the coaching carousal.

I am hoping the Peters smoke is similar to the Boudreau rumors from 2 years ago. The timing of both firings the flames made had “insiders” pointing to Boudreau in 16 and Peters 18.

Flames should be going after AV as he checks a lot of boxes.

[SuperMatt18]

In terms of an assistant I would love to see if they could bring Joe Mullen back to Calgary.

In his 3 seasons in his second stint in Philly he was the powerplay coach, and they ranked 3rd in the league over those three seasons.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by cgydom88

To the folks who voted Bill Peters: give your heads a shake.

I feel like posts like these can really look bad in 2-3 years.

What is Treliving supposed to do in this situation? I know every talks about not overthinking things, that the Flames need to not try and be the smartest guy in the room, but Treliving has a process. I know that's made fun of a lot, but if you're a manager and you've made it your career by being meticulous when it comes to detail, analytical, patient - how do you suddenly stop and just half-ass your next big decision simply because your last big decision didn't work out?

I get it. You need to make adjustments, but you can bet Treliving has. It's pretty easy to look at the current crop of coaches available and see Sutter and AV as obvious hires because of their history, but if Treliving doesn't believe in what they are selling, is he supposed to act anyway?

Treliving has an idea of what he wants this team to be. I think the Flames should stop playing this one foot in, one foot out nonsense. Go all in on your vision, or don't. Blurring your process never seems like a smart idea in the long term. Coaches like Babcock and Quenneville are rare commodities in this league, and generally the only way you are going to find them is through patience and building them up.

Hockey managers are prone to mistakes perhaps more than any other in any league in North America, but if Treliving analyzes the situation and determines Peters is the best fit for this team, so be it. If he wants Sutter or AV, so be it.

But we shouldn't be telling people to give their head a shake for the consideration. That's how you pass on Gallant and Sullivan.

[vanisleflamesfan]

I don't get this runaway love for Alain Vigneault. Do we really want a bunch of head-snap-back, diving, falling, screeching, fake-their-way-to-a-PP, losers?

[kukkudo]

So now we are hoping Peters if hired can be the next Gallant or Sullivan or whatever? Why don't we just hire the guy who already has that résumé? (If he wants to come here)

My concern is if the experiment fails that leaves the Flames with 3 years of Gaudreau and Monahan and 2 years of Hamilton left.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

No, Bingo. He accused the GM of dragging his feet and having decision paralysis because it wasn't done last December.

Many of us knew Gulutzan was a dud a long time ago. And many of us knew that a change needed to happen to save the season. Treliving held on too long.

No he didn't.

He wanted the decision made since the season ended.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

So now we are hoping Peters if hired can be the next Gallant or Sullivan or whatever? Why don't we just hire the guy who already has that résumé? (If he wants to come here)

My concern is if the experiment fails that leaves the Flames with 3 years of Gaudreau and Monahan and 2 years of Hamilton left.

If this experiment fails then it’s time for rebuild 2.0. You’re going to see massive roster turnover and an entirely new front office staff.

[Toonage]

Wasn't sure where else to put this, and I apologize if its been covered already this morning, but did anyone hear the 960 crew once again bringing up the possibility that more management changes (specifically related to Burke) could be coming?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

So now we are hoping Peters if hired can be the next Gallant or Sullivan or whatever? Why don't we just hire the guy who already has that résumé? (If he wants to come here)

My concern is if the experiment fails that leaves the Flames with 3 years of Gaudreau and Monahan and 2 years of Hamilton left.

If Brad is willing to put his job on the line for a less experienced coach, I'm all far it.

If the mandate from ownership is "make the playoffs next year or you're gone" and Treliving still does what he believes is the right thing, despite having several other known commodities being available, that's pretty bold. It's what I want to see.

If he selects somebody who clashes with his vision, he'll never truly see his process play out, and he'll never truly see whether his vision was correct.

[the_only_turek_fan]

John Shannon
@JSportsnet
While the world points at Bill Peters for the now vacant Flames job, don’t discount the name Darryl Sutter. He has maintained a strong relationship with ownership.

Does anyone have any more information on Sutter's apparent strong relationship with ownership? I thought they forced him out?

That is the most interesting thing I got from yesterday.