2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Kadri wants to go to a contender. If Tkachuk is traded I think it's safe to say that the Flames won't be considered.

I suspect you are right, but if a contender is offering a 4 year 26 million dollar deal and the Flames offer a 7 year 52 million dollar deal, the Flames may get him.

[Nelson]

Assuming the Flames trade Tkachuk, I imagine a hypothetical scenario in which the message to Zadorov remains true. The Flames are not rebuilding. In this case, I think the Flames are in an interesting scenario. Solid UFAs are available. They may be desperate by the time Tkachuk is traded if they are still on the market. On the wing, sign 2/3 of Kessel, Niederreiter, and Milano. At centre, sign Sam Steel (if not 1/8 involved in that sexual assault). On defence, sign Klingberg. Re-sign Mangiapane and Kylington. The resulting roster is not a contender but may be competitive in the Pacific.

Mangiapane - Lindholm - Niederreiter
Coleman - Backlund - Kessel
Dube - Monahan - Toffoli
Lucic - Steel - Lewis

Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Zadorov - Klingberg

Markstrom
Vladar

I would not do this. I would trade Markstrom, Tanev and Lindholm for maximum returns after trading Tkachuk. But I don’t think this hypothetical scenario is all that bad because if you get some of these players on 1-year deals, you could offload some of them at the deadline.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Assuming the Flames trade Tkachuk, I imagine a hypothetical scenario in which the message to Zadorov remains true. The Flames are not rebuilding. In this case, I think the Flames are in an interesting scenario. Solid UFAs are available. They may be desperate by the time Tkachuk is traded if they are still on the market. On the wing, sign 2/3 of Kessel, Niederreiter, and Milano. At centre, sign Sam Steel (if not 1/8 involved in that sexual assault). On defence, sign Klingberg. Re-sign Mangiapane and Kylington. The resulting roster is not a contender but may be competitive in the Pacific.

Mangiapane - Lindholm - Niederreiter
Coleman - Backlund - Kessel
Dube - Monahan - Toffoli
Lucic - Steel - Lewis

Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Zadorov - Klingberg

Markstrom
Vladar

I would not do this. I would trade Markstrom, Tanev and Lindholm for maximum returns after trading Tkachuk. But I don’t think this hypothetical scenario is all that bad because if you get some of these players on 1-year deals, you could offload some of them at the deadline.

Understand the desire to not rebuild but if Tkachuk is traded it is going to happen (and should happen). There would be no advantage in finishing middle of pack after missing the playoffs to pick 15-20. I agree with your comment about unloading assets for prospects and picks at that point.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Assuming the Flames trade Tkachuk, I imagine a hypothetical scenario in which the message to Zadorov remains true. The Flames are not rebuilding. In this case, I think the Flames are in an interesting scenario. Solid UFAs are available. They may be desperate by the time Tkachuk is traded if they are still on the market. On the wing, sign 2/3 of Kessel, Niederreiter, and Milano. At centre, sign Sam Steel (if not 1/8 involved in that sexual assault). On defence, sign Klingberg. Re-sign Mangiapane and Kylington. The resulting roster is not a contender but may be competitive in the Pacific.

Mangiapane - Lindholm - Niederreiter
Coleman - Backlund - Kessel
Dube - Monahan - Toffoli
Lucic - Steel - Lewis

Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Zadorov - Klingberg

Markstrom
Vladar

I would not do this. I would trade Markstrom, Tanev and Lindholm for maximum returns after trading Tkachuk. But I don’t think this hypothetical scenario is all that bad because if you get some of these players on 1-year deals, you could offload some of them at the deadline.

Rooney?

Also there is nothing on that roster from the Tkachuk deal?

I really doubt that happens.

Honestly, if Tkachuk goes but they refuse to tear it down, I think the Flames best bet is to try and build three 2nd lines and a 3rd/4th line as well as three 2nd D pairings with as much depth as possible and then tell Sutter to go do his thing.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Rooney?

Also there is nothing on that roster from the Tkachuk deal?

I really doubt that happens.

Honestly, if Tkachuk goes but they refuse to tear it down, I think the Flames best bet is to try and build three 2nd lines and a 3rd/4th line as well as three 2nd D pairings with as much depth as possible and then tell Sutter to go do his thing.

Good point about Rooney. I forgot about him. Rooney’s very forgettable.

I guess I should probably assume Bratt plus futures rather than just futures in my hypothetical scenario.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Nelson

At centre, sign Sam Steel (if not 1/8 involved in that sexual assault).

This actually is a very interesting point. I wonder if teams know which players are implicated in this case, and if that was the factor behind Sam Steel not getting the QO or signed in free agency.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by agulati

This actually is a very interesting point. I wonder if teams know which players are implicated in this case, and if that was the factor behind Sam Steel not getting the QO or signed in free agency.

I would bet on teams knowing who was involved, and the ones that aren't established NHLers will start getting blackballed I'm sure.

If any of them are already NHL stars, their teams will likely do whatever they can to keep them safe because they have value to the team, which is disgusting but the way the world works.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I suspect you are right, but if a contender is offering a 4 year 26 million dollar deal and the Flames offer a 7 year 52 million dollar deal, the Flames may get him.

Very few of what would be considered contenders have the cap space for a Kadri contract and while yes you can go 10% over before the season starts you still need to move someone else out. Vegas for example could sign him even though they are currently over the cap due to LTIR but they still need 6 roster spots filled including a back up goalie, although it seems Lehner could be out for the start of the season but he would eventually come back.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If any of them are already NHL stars, their teams will likely do whatever they can to keep them safe because they have value to the team, which is disgusting but the way the world works.

Neither Thomas nor Kyrou have made a statement that unequivocally denied they were involved like Makar and others have. Wonder if the Blues would ship them out like Gilmour if they were involved.

(Kyrou's agency said he was involved in no wrongdoing)

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by rhino

although it seems Lehner could be out for the start of the season but he would eventually come back.

Come back around the same time someone else gets injured? I've seen this show before lol.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Neither Thomas nor Kyrou have made a statement that unequivocally denied they were involved like Makar and others have. Wonder if the Blues would ship them out like Gilmour if they were involved.

(Kyrou's agency said he was involved in no wrongdoing)

They're stars so the team will do everything they can to keep them out of danger even if they were a part of it. If it becomes public knowledge then the Blues hand will probably be forced.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If any of them are already NHL stars, their teams will likely do whatever they can to keep them safe because they have value to the team, which is disgusting but the way the world works.

After all that has come out over the past few years (dealing with racism, sexual abuse etc) hopefully the league and the teams have learned a lesson.

They should look at the way Manchester United handled Mason Greenwood over his rape allegations.

[OILFAN #81]

Media outlets in Colorado (Adrian Dater) and San Jose (NBCSN) reporting that Kadri has multiple offers but lower than what he expected on July 13th and is disappointed. That's what is taking long in addition to he originally was hoping Colorado would make another move to fit him under the cap. Not a certainty now he stays in Colorado.

[Royle9]

There's no UFA available to help salvage a run with the flames current roster.
You've lost 200+ pts from your teams offense.

You lost your top 2 forwards.

Time to rebuild and use your prime assets to move to the future.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Media outlets in Colorado (Adrian Dater) and San Jose (NBCSN) reporting that Kadri has multiple offers but lower than what he expected on July 13th and is disappointed. That's what is taking long in addition to he originally was hoping Colorado would make another move to fit him under the cap. Not a certainty now he stays in Colorado.

He's absolutely over valueing himself. Given his age, no team is going to want to lock him into a long term contract. He's forcing other teams that may have been interested in him , to go to plan B.

[Tbull8]

Gaudreau to Philly for JVR and the Florida pick in next years draft
Tkachuk to NJ for 2nd overall

Flames could've walked away with Wright and an unprotected first next year if Johnny had given them some notice. Johnny could've ended up in Philly like he always wanted.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by agulati

This actually is a very interesting point. I wonder if teams know which players are implicated in this case, and if that was the factor behind Sam Steel not getting the QO or signed in free agency.

Known or unknown, if I’m a GM there is no way I’m signing any of them until this is dealt with. Unless they include an out clause, which I imagine every agent will scoff at.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Media outlets in Colorado (Adrian Dater) and San Jose (NBCSN) reporting that Kadri has multiple offers but lower than what he expected on July 13th and is disappointed. That's what is taking long in addition to he originally was hoping Colorado would make another move to fit him under the cap. Not a certainty now he stays in Colorado.

I'm pleasantly surprised by the restraint showed by GM's for the most part this year. He's going to be 32 at the beginning of the season and it's clear last season was a career year and he's more of a 50 point player. He's a really good player but I get the feeling he thought he was going to see a few 6 x $8 million contract offers or something.

[littlereddevil]

There was a leaked rumour (shared on Instagram) by a St. Louis Blues insider that Calgary rejected a trade offer for Tkachuk that would have sent Kyrou, Krug and a 1st round pick Calgary's way. Apparently this rumoured trade offer was while Calgary was still trying to re-sign Gaudreau.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by littlereddevil

There was a leaked rumour (shared on Instagram) by a St. Louis Blues insider that Calgary rejected a trade offer for Tkachuk that would have sent Kyrou, Krug and a 1st round pick Calgary's way. Apparently this rumoured trade offer was while Calgary was still trying to re-sign Gaudreau.

Kyrou, cap dump, and a late first. Sounds about right.