[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Hi, Murray!

Aloha, Brad!

[Romanrules]

How is not letting BT talk to potential suitors any different then Anaheim not letting boudreau talk after he was fired without receiving compensation. It consistently happens in the NHL, this isn't an isolated Calgary Flames incident, there is precedent set around the NHL.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Aloha, Brad!

Hey, glad to see you let Don make a decision on the coach. Also my last check and ROE are still outstanding.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think the harm to the organization's reputation and the limitations it potentially has on management candidates is a far bigger concern than the scenario you have presented.

BT is free on July 1. If the Flames think they're getting any significant strategic advantage because of this, it's minimal, and only comes off as petty.

If a potential GM candidate is concerned that if they eventually walk away from the team, that they may not be able to immediately interview with other team, then the Flames shouldn't want to hire them anyway. Anyone going in thinking about potential exit scenarios obviously isn't fully in with both feet from the start.

Count me as one that is completely fine with not letting him interview for other franchises while he is still under contract. He knows our draft priorities and the Pens pick 2 spots before us. He knows who we may be targeting in the offseason and has the Flames scouting takes on them. He knows what players are likely on the way out here and could make lowball offers compared to what a different Pens GM would make.

It's not in the Flames best interest to let him go to another team right away. If the Pens really want permission that badly, then they should give something up for that. At a minimum, swap 1st rounders so they can't screw us at the draft if they hired him or he spills the beans at the interview.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Good. Time for this Franchise to get more cutthroat if they want to win it all.

If Treliving I initially chose not to sign an extention then there may be more to the story as to why he is not being released for interviews.

[Major Major]

Also teams used to get compensation for allowing their guy to get hired away while under contract. So it used to be pretty common. Now they don't so why do it? There's literally no benefit to the org. Just being nice to competitors for... Just because? Nah

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

As long as it isn't a personal slight by ownership for choosing to walk, then whatever. If it is, then not the greatest look.

Problem is this is probably 100% what it is.

Originally Posted by Romanrules

How is not letting BT talk to potential suitors any different then Anaheim not letting boudreau talk after he was fired without receiving compensation. It consistently happens in the NHL, this isn't an isolated Calgary Flames incident, there is precedent set around the NHL.

When did this happen?

Boudreau was fired April 29th by Anaheim, and was hired on May 7th by Minnesota. Same thing in his prior role...he was hired by Anaheim 2 days after he was fired by Washington.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If a potential GM candidate is concerned that if they eventually walk away from the team, that they may not be able to immediately interview with other team, then the Flames shouldn't want to hire them anyway. Anyone going in thinking about potential exit scenarios obviously isn't fully in with both feet from the start.

Count me as one that is completely fine with not letting him interview for other franchises while he is still under contract. He knows our draft priorities and the Pens pick 2 spots before us. He knows who we may be targeting in the offseason and has the Flames scouting takes on them. He knows what players are likely on the way out here and could make lowball offers compared to what a different Pens GM would make.

It's not in the Flames best interest to let him go to another team right away. If the Pens really want permission that badly, then they should give something up for that. At a minimum, swap 1st rounders so they can't screw us at the draft if they hired him or he spills the beans at the interview.

There are examples of teams permitting the recruitment and/or hiring of an AGM or GM by a rival team on condition they don't take part in an upcoming draft.

[Erick Estrada]

Here's the full quote from LeBrun.

I was also told the Penguins wanted to include Brad Treliving as part of their first wave of Zoom interviews but the Flames denied them permission, apparently telling Pittsburgh it would have to wait until Treliving’s contract expired June 30 — which, well, is a little bizarre of the Flames if you ask me. Treliving is leaving the organization, so why would they care?

Sounds like this may not be as common as we think as LeBrun's been around for a long time and if he thinks it's bizarre then it's probably not a good look overall for the organization. As mentioned above the could have granted the Penguins permission with conditions.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Here's the full quote from LeBrun.



Sounds like this may not be as common as we think as LeBrun's been around for a long time and if he thinks it's bizarre then it's probably not a good look overall for the organization. As mentioned above the could have granted the Penguins permission with conditions.

Seems like there is some bitterness from Edwards, cant see it being Maloney who would be sticking it to his friend.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Here's the full quote from LeBrun.



Sounds like this may not be as common as we think as LeBrun's been around for a long time and if he thinks it's bizarre then it's probably not a good look overall for the organization. As mentioned above the could have granted the Penguins permission with conditions.

We wouldn't really no how common or uncommon it is. In general, it is uncommon for a GM to walk despite being offered an extension, so sample size has to be considered. There are many GMs and coaches that have left teams, either being fired or walked away (rarely) who do not find jobs right away. We would have no way of knowing if permission is denied or not. The media picks and chooses what things to report or investigate, and it is no secret the the Flames organization has been the recipient of a lot of attention lately that usually escapes more franchises.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yeah if true not a fan of that.

[expo2428]

The score article on this news said Tre made an ill advised trade trading for hanifin and Lindholm by trading away a future Norris winner in fox. I mean lots to like and hate for tre but when you write an article an say it was an I'll advised trade to trade away fox without including any context you might need to do some more research before writing anymore articles

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1658578001351839748

[Mass_nerder]

I thought it turned out that Chyka was kind of a fraud?
Am I misremebering?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I thought it turned out that Chyka was kind of a fraud?
Am I misremebering?

He was trying to find other teams to sign with while working and under contract with the Coyotes and got fined and suspended. After that the Coyotes got fined draft pick for holding private draft workouts when it wasn't allowed during covid.

[Patek23]

I have no issue with them not allowing Tre to interview. The guy is complicit in the mess we find ourselves in and than walks out on the team. He quit. He wasnt fired. This organization owes him nothing. Hes collecting cheques til July 1 and than hes free to do as he likes. Its not like Murray has him tied up in his basement until then.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Also teams used to get compensation for allowing their guy to get hired away while under contract. So it used to be pretty common. Now they don't so why do it? There's literally no benefit to the org. Just being nice to competitors for... Just because? Nah

The benefit is, for example, with Sutter getting fired, he's still under contract. They still have to pay him for the next 2 years or whatever the contract was.


If the person gets hired by another organization, then you don't have to pay him, although I seem to recall that if say, New York hired him and paid him less, the Flames would be on the hook to makeup the shortfall.


Also, I do believe the person has to make an attempt to get hired, although I could be wrong. In which case Sutter might not get paid.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Patek23

I have no issue with them not allowing Tre to interview. The guy is complicit in the mess we find ourselves in and than walks out on the team. He quit. He wasnt fired. This organization owes him nothing. Hes collecting cheques til July 1 and than hes free to do as he likes. Its not like Murray has him tied up in his basement until then.

The Swiss wouldn't be the worst place to be right now.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by expo2428

The score article on this news said Tre made an ill advised trade trading for hanifin and Lindholm by trading away a future Norris winner in fox. I mean lots to like and hate for tre but when you write an article an say it was an I'll advised trade to trade away fox without including any context you might need to do some more research before writing anymore articles

Especially if they phrased it as “ill advised”…. Pretty sure most people in the league were well aware of his plans. Since they weren’t secret, and he told people that he only wanted to play for the rangers. Trying to sign him elsewhere would have been ill advised.