Edmonton is No Good Episode 4: New Rink, Same Stink

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think it just shows that when McDavid is on the ice - the Oilers as a team are elite.

When McDavid is off the ice the Oilers as a team are a lottery team.

Not sure you need advanced stats to know that though.

The Oilers are not ELITE when McDavid is playing. There are only maybe 2 or 3 elite teams in the NHL. They are a wild card team with McDavid.

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Maybe Vancouver is where you dump all the ashtrays once they're full?

No, I meant they literally burned their city to ashes....

[SuperMatt18]

I meant literally when he's on the ice - which is what WOWY measures.

So they are elite for the 22 minutes per game that he plays, and a lottery team the rest of the time.

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I meant literally when he's on the ice - which is what WOWY measures.

So they are elite for the 22 minutes per game that he plays, and a lottery team the rest of the time.

Again, they are elite offensively when he is on the ice and all together average (at best) defensively. Plus/minus is a very flawed stat but based on your "elite when he is on the ice" comment, Edmonton has scored a grand total of 6 more goals when he is on the ice even strength than they have given up through 32 games.

McDavid is elite. The Edmonton Oilers are poo. Mixing one part elite with about 6 parts average and 12 parts poo makes, well, no good.

[northcrunk]

I love poo math.

[CaptainCrunch]

You forgot to carry the poo

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Can you name 5 cities in North America that are nicer than Vancouver?

It's a beautiful place with lots to do and amazing cuisine, but as another poster previously mentioned I would never want to live there because of the people.

The hypocrisy and pretentiousness around that city is palpable. The entitled attitude of Canuck fans starts to make a lot of sense the more time you spend in Van. Gives San Francisco a run for their money.

Given their proximity and comparable weather, I think Seattle is nicer than Vancouver. Hands down.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by old-fart

Again, they are elite offensively when he is on the ice and all together average (at best) defensively. Plus/minus is a very flawed stat but based on your "elite when he is on the ice" comment, Edmonton has scored a grand total of 6 more goals when he is on the ice even strength than they have given up through 32 games.

McDavid is elite. The Edmonton Oilers are poo. Mixing one part elite with about 6 parts average and 12 parts poo makes, well, no good.

The differential is really what matters though. Sure they aren't good defensively with him on the ice but they generate so much offense that it completely makes up for it.

1st in Scoring Chance For %
9th in Shots For %
5th in Goals For %
6th in Expected Goals For %

That seems pretty elite IMO but yes overall I agree. On average the Oilers are poo.

[Demaeon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You forgot to carry the poo

Chop wood, carry poo.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Given their proximity and comparable weather, I think Seattle is nicer than Vancouver. Hands down.

They are both nice. But I sure miss San Diego.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So subjective. Of places I've been (and obviously I haven't been everywhere in each city):

Quebec City
San Francisco
Halifax
Victoria
Montreal (well Old Montreal anyway)
Galveston
Kingston

Subjective is right... I've been to the bolded and they aren't even comparable in my eyes. General consensus would agree that San Francisco and Montreal definitely belong in the top 5.

I want to hate on Vancouver, but I simply can't turn my canuck hate into hate for the city. There's a reason rich Chinese people have been buying up Vancouver for years. Because the city is amazing. Always something going on and downtown is constantly buzzing with excitement.

But back on topic, let's face it. edmonton is the Detroit of Canada and that comparison isn't even fair to Detroit.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The residential area just over the bridge from downtown is pretty nice.

That would be North Vancouver, which is a separate city all on its own distinct from Vancouver.

But in any event this is a silly discussion. Whether owing exclusively to its natural beauty or additional features of urban development, Vancouver is a spectacular city.

[-TC-]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That would be North Vancouver, which is a separate city all on its own distinct from Vancouver.

But in any event this is a silly discussion. Whether owing exclusively to its natural beauty or additional features of urban development, Vancouver is a spectacular city.

Having lived there...spectacular is a stretch, a chasm really. It's nice...in the summer, when it's not raining. From November to March it's soul crushingly grey and bleak.

And don't even get me started on the mayor , city council and most of the citizens...

There are a lot of places I'd live before I'd even consider Vancouver.

[trublmaker]

Live in Van, born and raised on the coast ( despise the nucks) Vancouver is far far from what it use to be. The political correctness is stifling, a world famous ghetto, an idiotic mayor, a premier who wanted to shut down Burrard bridge on a long weekend so EVERYBODY can do yoga and be one with each other, out of control gangs and a night life downtown that usually involves guns and knives. The weather and water sports are great but as far as city living its one of the must expensive places to live now.

[dirk diggler]

watching Seth Jones play, it amazes me that many oiler fans last year felt that they wouldnt trade the Tenderness straight up for Jones... he is quite impressive, the tenderness, not so much

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That would be North Vancouver, which is a separate city all on its own distinct from Vancouver.

But in any event this is a silly discussion. Whether owing exclusively to its natural beauty or additional features of urban development, Vancouver is a spectacular city.

No, not North Van. The other way.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, not North Van. The other way.

Kits

[Acey]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

It's just terrible design to build something that doesn't fit the surroundings. Marble and sleek lines in a prairie setting seems dumb. Doesn't have to be hay bails but something a little more in keeping.

If you're talking about Rogers, it is the first piece of a massive complex and the surrounding high rises will have glazing to match so it won't look out of place when everything is done. All the silver will be a nice complement to the Stantec Tower which is already well underway and directly attached to the rink.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

Kits

. A little further SE. I'm thinking Shaunessy or around there. My friends live there, it's Vancouver proper. Nice neighbourhood.

[erikk3]

Originally Posted by -TC-

There are a lot of places I'd live before I'd even consider Vancouver.

How about Calgary??

Moved here from Van 5 years ago and I can't stand when I have to go back to visit family etc. #### that city