2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by terminator

I work with a good friend of Burke's; Colborne was brought here as a favor to his father.

IMO, Colborne is proving that favor was worth it,

Orange Julius?

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Orange Julius?

juicy

[kmart]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think because he was one of the few 1st round picks from Darryl Sutter that actually made the team that some fans are attached to him. His skillset is so average and he can't distribute the puck as well as you would want out of an offensive center. I would feel 100% comfortable saying that if he got traded he would fade away into one of those guys that's just in the league but not noteworthy as every team has one or two guys just like him that were drafted high but didn't translate to an offensive player. It's not like he's a cancer or anything to this team but he isn't getting better and if you can include him in a trade to make your team better you have to do it. That said while I think he's more tradable than Stajan I'm not sure there are a lot of suitors for a $3 million 3rd liner. The fit would have to be a team that really likes him and thinks he just needs a change of scenery.

I don't think it has anything to do with being attached to Darryl Sutter at all, analytics are the most important selling point to Backlund.

He's good at the analytics stats like possession, but it doesn't lead to the goals that this team needs. I think most of us agree that he won't be a 45+point player on a consistent basis with what he's shown, but if you want a guy that has good possession numbers he's your guy.

I don't think that the Flames will have any issue trading him either. All you have to do is go to a team that is big on analytics (ie. Edmonton), and you'll likely find a suitor for Backlund. Analytics is a growing thing in the world of sports and Backlund is a analytics type of player.

[Strange Brew]

All the talk about Backlund, how good he is etc. got me to thinking. It's starting to feel like a lot of the Flames players are being paid based on their relative value to the team, as opposed to their relative value in the league.

To me, it applies to Backlund, Stajan, Bouma. I'm not saying they are all bad contracts. But I remember several comments to the effect that "he is an important part of what we are doing here". I remember that with Stajan's contract specifically.

I don't think that philosophy works unless you are an elite team.

Part of why the NE patriots are so good year after year (aside from #12) is that they don't get attached to their players and would rather cut a player one year too soon than one year too late.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Don't be hasty.

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

All the talk about Backlund, how good he is etc. got me to thinking. It's starting to feel like a lot of the Flames players are being paid based on their relative value to the team, as opposed to their relative value in the league.

To me, it applies to Backlund, Stajan, Bouma. I'm not saying they are all bad contracts. But I remember several comments to the effect that "he is an important part of what we are doing here". I remember that with Stajan's contract specifically.

I don't think that philosophy works unless you are an elite team.

Part of why the NE patriots are so good year after year (aside from #12) is that they don't get attached to their players and would rather cut a player one year too soon than one year too late.

I think you have the nail on the head here, thanks for the insightful post.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

All the talk about Backlund, how good he is etc. got me to thinking. It's starting to feel like a lot of the Flames players are being paid based on their relative value to the team, as opposed to their relative value in the league.

To me, it applies to Backlund, Stajan, Bouma. I'm not saying they are all bad contracts. But I remember several comments to the effect that "he is an important part of what we are doing here". I remember that with Stajan's contract specifically.

I don't think that philosophy works unless you are an elite team.

Part of why the NE patriots are so good year after year (aside from #12) is that they don't get attached to their players and would rather cut a player one year too soon than one year too late.

I don't think the Flames based those contracts like that at all. The stats for the players in question speak for themselves and their contracts are based on market comparables.

Everything looks bad right now because the team is sucking really bad but it doesn't change Backlund, Stajan, Bouma's historical stats or the market comparable's historical stats and salaries.

I never liked the Backlund contract because i'm not a big fan of him and I think he is miscast as a third line centre, and also doesn't have the offensive skills to be a second line centre, but that doesn't mean he isn't signed to market value. If you look at his comparables, his contract is very fair and he should not be anymore or less difficult to move than any other player who is signed at market. If he can't be moved, it is not because of his 10 game struggle this season or his new contract, it would simply be because there isn't a right fit at this point in time with another team.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I'm sorry, I thought I entered the TRADE RUMORS and SPECULATIONS thread, not the BACKLUND IS MARGINALLY BETTER THAN COLBORNE, BUT BOTH ARE BELOW AVERAGE ARGUMENT thread.

Back on topic please.

[Enoch Root]

I would trade Backlund for Colborne

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would trade Backlund for Colborne

I would trade Colborne for Backlund and Hanowski.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I'm sorry, I thought I entered the TRADE RUMORS and SPECULATIONS thread, not the BACKLUND IS MARGINALLY BETTER THAN COLBORNE, BUT BOTH ARE BELOW AVERAGE ARGUMENT thread.

Back on topic please.

easy there panthers fan.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would trade Backlund for Colborne

As would I but for it to make sense it would have to be done now!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

Stop pulling stats from a less than 10 game samples and using that to make general statements/conclusions on players. It's ridiculous and dumb.

Ummm, that's not what I did, if that was aimed at me. I pulled stats from that period and made a conclusion about the results over that 10 day span (see "at this point"). And I admitted it was a tiny sample size to boot.

My bigger point was that a third line centre like Backlund could be has more defensive responsibilities (which is his stronger suit) while a second line with, say Bennett and Colborne, can be sheltered but still given offensive ice time. So it wasn't really initially a "who's better" argument.

Perhaps it's a difference in how I view the usual roles. I see the first line as being expected to score against the top defenders but also often go against the other team's top line. I see second lines as providing secondary scoring hopefully against lesser defenders. I see third lines as suited for defensive specialists who can be matched up as much as possible against the top line of the other teams. The fourth line provides energy and rest time, and hopefully doesn't get killed when the top line gets out against them on the road or on an icing.

I do think Backlund gets you a better return than Colborne. He's a regular centre with a stronger history.

[sureLoss]

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
McKenzie, asked if he's hearing anything about the #Flames trying to shake things up: "They've got nothing close."

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
McKenzie, asked if he's hearing anything about the #Flames trying to shake things up: "They've got nothing close."

Not shocked. Have to think "rebuild" is still at least in the back of Teveling's mind. And any move we'd want to make would have to fit that mindset

[GB70]

Austin Mathews Sweepstakes. That's the "big shakeup" the media will probably cook up next in there rumors and speculations.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
McKenzie, asked if he's hearing anything about the #Flames trying to shake things up: "They've got nothing close."

Treliving does not telegraph moves to the media. He talks about 'business behind closed doors' so even if he was close I doubt the media would know about it. Hamilton trade as exhibit A.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
McKenzie, asked if he's hearing anything about the #Flames trying to shake things up: "They've got nothing close."

That's what I was hoping to hear. BT isn't going to make trades to shake this club up. Any trade will have to help this team going forward and I suspect other GM's are kicking tires looking to steal a player or two from the Flames.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I'm sorry, I thought I entered the TRADE RUMORS and SPECULATIONS thread, not the BACKLUND IS MARGINALLY BETTER THAN COLBORNE, BUT BOTH ARE BELOW AVERAGE ARGUMENT thread.

Back on topic please.

For a Panther's fan, you're A-Ok in my books.

[saillias]

According to Friedman on Twitter, Marc Arcobello is going on waivers today. I wonder if we pick him up.

[MoreDrank]

Originally Posted by saillias

According to Friedman on Twitter, Marc Arcobello is going on waivers today. I wonder if we pick him up.

Is better than Bollig and cheaper too.