American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

That ain’t the way to handle it in a functioning society.

You think America is currently a functioning society?

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Nothing more pathetic than a dude that simps for billionaires.

Guy's net-worth was estimated at about $43m USD; hardly a 'billionaire', he likely wouldn't even make a top 10,000 richest Americans list.

Nothing more pathetic than someone who cheers for the murder of someone who didn't actually do anything wrong because of an ideological disagreement with the industry in which they worked and how much money they (didn't) have... not that I'm terribly surprised by this.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Nothing more pathetic than someone who cheers for the murder of someone who didn't actually do anything wrong because of an ideological disagreement with the industry in which they worked and how much money they (didn't) have... not that I'm terribly surprised by this.

I take back the billionaire comment.

Do you truly think he had zero influence in how his company and the industry operates?

EDIT: Anyways, I'm not really cheering his death. I'm just not mourning it and I think this stuff is an inevitable consequence of the direction the U.S. is headed.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I take back the billionaire comment.

Do you truly think he had zero influence in how his company and the industry operates?

Yeah, that was the objectionable part. Your edit really doesn't help your case given the previous posts. The guy was CEO since 2021, but you think he's the problem with the industry? Get some perspective, man, jesus.

[Senator Clay Davis]

No "those bullet wounds were pre-existing conditions" jokes? For shame.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Yeah, that was the objectionable part. Your edit really doesn't help your case given the previous posts. The guy was CEO since 2021, but you think he's the problem with the industry? Get some perspective, man, jesus.

He's been a CEO since 2004, just in a different branch.

He definitely sounds like he's not part of the solution within the company/industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_...n_(businessman)

In 2021, Thompson was criticized in an open letter from the American Hospital Association regarding a plan from UnitedHealthcare to start denying payment for what it deemed non-critical visits to hospital emergency rooms. UnitedHealthcare responded by delaying rollout of the change.[10]

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by rubecube

He's been a CEO since 2004, just in a different branch.

He definitely sounds like he's not part of the solution within the company/industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_...n_(businessman)

No, 2010 but for subsidiaries of the company. He wasn't "the" CEO until 2021.

But yeah, totally justifies him getting murdered, I take it back.

[ResAlien]

Is this more of a personal vendetta against rube or are you doing the standard internet civility police thing that comes up when people make jokes online?

You’re going to want stay out of whatever iteration this thread is on when Trump dies because hoo boy this place is gonna really upset your feelings.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Is this more of a personal vendetta against rube or are you doing the standard internet civility police thing that comes up when people make jokes online?

You’re going to want stay out of whatever iteration this thread is on when Trump dies because hoo boy this place is gonna really upset your feelings.

Come on, now. Clearly my posts of "That's a shame," and "Nah. #### that CEO," were very serious and devoid of any facetiousness.

Not to mention my post where I clarified that I was being sardonic. That was a bald-faced lie and I'm willing to come clean about it now, under these very serious circumstances.

[TorqueDog]

To paraphrase Clarance Darrow, "I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."

But cheering some random, innocent guy getting murdered because of his industry (ooh and don't forget faux billionare status) is repugnant, and an entirely different thing.

Originally Posted by rubecube

Come on, now. Clearly my posts of "That's a shame," and "Nah. #### that CEO," were very serious and devoid of any facetiousness.

Not to mention my post where I clarified that I was being sardonic. That was a bald-faced lie and I'm willing to come clean about it now, under these very serious circumstances.

"I was just joking guys, just jokes! See where I edited my post after being called out?"

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yes, it's because I'm jealous of the dude's finances. Can't possibly because of the irreparable harm and devastation his industry and business has caused millions.

Nothing more pathetic than a dude that simps for billionaires.

Imagine being so bitter and alienated that you think health insurance executives are worse than murderers.

Is there a list of other businesses where it’s cool to ‘sardonically’ cheer on the murder of executives? Agribusiness, transportation, electronics?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

To paraphrase Clarance Darrow, "I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."

But cheering some random, innocent guy getting murdered because of his industry (ooh and don't forget faux billionare status) is repugnant, and an entirely different thing.

"I was just joking guys, just jokes! See where I edited my post after being called out?"

I'm not sure the killers motives, but perhaps this is just the end result of systems designed to screw people? if you can't get fair redress anywhere else, well, these things are gonna happen. And having had the displeasure of actually dealing with health insurance not covered by an employer, I'm not at all surprised their methods would lead someone to this point. They go out of their way to #### you all the way to the bank.


Here's just one example from that company specifically:

For years, it was a mystery: Seemingly out of the blue, therapists would feel like they’d tripped some invisible wire and become a target of UnitedHealth Group.
A company representative with the Orwellian title “care advocate” would call and grill them about why they’d seen a patient twice a week or weekly for six months.


In case after case, United would refuse to cover care, leaving patients to pay out-of-pocket or go without it. The severity of their issues seemed not to matter.


Around 2016, government officials began to pry open United’s black box. They found that the nation’s largest health insurance conglomerate had been using algorithms to identify providers it determined were giving too much therapy and patients it believed were receiving too much; then, the company scrutinized their cases and cut off reimbursements.


By the end of 2021, United’s algorithm program had been deemed illegal in three states.

https://www.propublica.org/article/u...egal-algorithm


Is this just another version of FAFO just how much people need mental health supports? Maybe ####nig peopel with mental health issues isn't the best strategy. But hey, at least they made good profits.

While the massive insurer — one of the 10 most profitable companies in the world

Ya...

[Senator Clay Davis]

Maybe it could be someone who got ####ed over by UHC, but the video pretty clearly shows a professional job and that suggests higher income person behind it. Wife/scorned lover/disgruntled former employee make more sense for now, but we'll see.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

"I was just joking guys, just jokes! See where I edited my post after being called out?"

The edit is me explaining the joke to you because you're so far up your own ass you couldn't tell I wasn't completely serious from the posts themselves.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Imagine being so bitter and alienated that you think health insurance executives are worse than murderers.

I think you're the one doing the imagining here, Cliff.

At least my circle of friends isn't just stacks of old copies of The Economist.

Is there a list of other businesses where it’s cool to ‘sardonically’ cheer on the murder of executives? Agribusiness, transportation, electronics?

Sure, why not? You really think me cracking jokes on a random hockey forum is making a dent in societal attitudes towards executives?

People have been making jokes about the deaths/murders of lawyers, politicians, etc., for years, but jokes about CEOs of health insurance companies is where we're drawing the line?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by clifffletcher

imagine being so bitter and alienated that you think health insurance executives are worse than murderers.

Is there a list of other businesses where it’s cool to ‘sardonically’ cheer on the murder of executives? Agribusiness, transportation, electronics?

o&g

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think you're the one doing the imagining here, Cliff.

At least my circle of friends isn't just stacks of old copies of The Economist.



Sure, why not? You really think me cracking jokes on a random hockey forum is making a dent in societal attitudes towards executives?

People have been making jokes about the deaths/murders of lawyers, politicians, etc., for years, but jokes about CEOs of health insurance companies is where we're drawing the line?

Yeah I’ll be lame and say that I think it’s toxic. And not at all helpful. You’re basically perpetuating division. Through jokes though so that’s all cool…

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

To paraphrase Clarance Darrow, "I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."

But cheering some random, innocent guy getting murdered because of his industry (ooh and don't forget faux billionare status) is repugnant, and an entirely different thing.

"I was just joking guys, just jokes! See where I edited my post after being called out?"

This seems like one of those mindless purity tests you were talking about.

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Imagine being so bitter and alienated that you think health insurance executives are worse than murderers.

Health insurance executives don’t have the right not to be hated, Cliff. And people should simply ignore distasteful comments about them and let the law deal with the ones that cross that line.

Or perhaps you could explain what policy changes you’d like to see to better deal with dangerous speech like what rubecube has so clearly demonstrated.

[Ped]

Anthem Blue Cross will now only pay for a specific time of anesthesia for surgeries. So if your surgery goes longer, you have to pay up or I guess, not have anesthesia anymore. Oh, but not in cases of maternity, so they are really good guys.


https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/...imits/3447274/

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Imagine being so bitter and alienated that you think health insurance executives are worse than murderers.

Some clearly are. The behavior of denying life-saving treatments by those carriers is a decision made from the CEO level. These decisions have likely led to more deaths than the top 10 serial killers you can list. I feel no pain for those that cause suffering to the sick.

Is there a list of other businesses where it’s cool to ‘sardonically’ cheer on the murder of executives? Agribusiness, transportation, electronics?

Any of them? All of them? When their decisions lead to death and suffering of others, they should have to suffer the consequences sooner or later. Especially when it comes to health insurance? Where does "do no harm" come into play and treat customers like they are human beings rather than a profit center to be leverage to satisfy corporate greed? Or are you the type of guy to be a member of the Martin Shkreli fan club?

I'm not condoning the murder of anyone, but I'm also not going to shed a tear or lament the loss of someone like this.