American Politics Thread: The Hunt for Blue November

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Trump planning a visit with Putin before the elections. Traitor in Chief!


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...iliar-n1236861

Nah, satellite offices always need to personally check in with the head office from time to time...

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Four most recent polls in North Carolina: tie, Biden +1, Trump +1, Trump +1. That ain't good news... then there are a bunch of other polls in the past week that show the gap narrowing in Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Arizona, to a point where it's pretty much margin of error territory.

I have no explanation for this trend, other than Kamala wasn't what people were looking for (seems unlikely because this seems to have been happening before the announcement), or just the "races get tighter as we approach fall" rule. Either way, it's distressing. They need their convention bump.

[Mr.Coffee]

Not that they care, or have unfortunately ever cared (even though they definitely, definitely should)- but Americans international reputation will be obliterated if they vote in Trump again.

If they vote in Trump again, no sympathy for Americans. This is it, figure it out and get your #### together or look like the idiots you possibly are and get ready for major international trashing and trade issues as the rest of the world firms up in antagonist positions.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I've been polled numerous ties in the past month, two of which were obvious push polls by a Trump aligned pollsters. I think the polling out there is highly specious and you have to dig into the methodology and questions to determine if they mean anything.

Specific to polls, North Carolia went for Trump last election, so Trump HAS to win that state. The fact that it is close is not good for Trump. Trump has to reach the exact same formula he did last election, or he loses. With so many states leaning Biden, Trump is in tough. I'm not willing to say he has no chance, but the electoral college math does not look good in his favor. His best chance is to suppress the vote, kill off voting by mail, and allow his cronies to limit access to voting machines and polling places to restrict voting in the urban areas. Do that, and Trump wins again.

[La Flames Fan]

I haven't gone through the thread to see if this was posted, but a lot of good points about the state of America.

How COVID-19 Signals The End of the America Era:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...davis-1038206/

The American cult of the individual denies not just community but the very idea of society. No one owes anything to anyone. All must be prepared to fight for everything: education, shelter, food, medical care. What every prosperous and successful democracy deems to be fundamental rights — universal health care, equal access to quality public education, a social safety net for the weak, elderly, and infirmed — America dismisses as socialist indulgences, as if so many signs of weakness.

And...

How can the rest of the world expect America to lead on global threats — climate change, the extinction crisis, pandemics — when the country no longer has a sense of benign purpose, or collective well-being, even within its own national community? Flag-wrapped patriotism is no substitute for compassion; anger and hostility no match for love. Those who flock to beaches, bars, and political rallies, putting their fellow citizens at risk, are not exercising freedom; they are displaying, as one commentator has noted, the weakness of a people who lack both the stoicism to endure the pandemic and the fortitude to defeat it. Leading their charge is Donald Trump, a bone spur warrior, a liar and a fraud, a grotesque caricature of a strong man, with the backbone of a bully.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Four most recent polls in North Carolina: tie, Biden +1, Trump +1, Trump +1. That ain't good news... then there are a bunch of other polls in the past week that show the gap narrowing in Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Arizona, to a point where it's pretty much margin of error territory.

I have no explanation for this trend, other than Kamala wasn't what people were looking for (seems unlikely because this seems to have been happening before the announcement), or just the "races get tighter as we approach fall" rule. Either way, it's distressing. They need their convention bump.

Sounds like the numbers are really tightening up among independent voters. Was some something like Biden +8 among independents a month ago and is now Biden +2.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Four most recent polls in North Carolina: tie, Biden +1, Trump +1, Trump +1. That ain't good news... then there are a bunch of other polls in the past week that show the gap narrowing in Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Arizona, to a point where it's pretty much margin of error territory.

I have no explanation for this trend, other than Kamala wasn't what people were looking for (seems unlikely because this seems to have been happening before the announcement), or just the "races get tighter as we approach fall" rule. Either way, it's distressing. They need their convention bump.

I would argue that this is likely a good thing. Polling this far out really doesn't mean much, but if it puts the fear of Trump into Dems, independents or moderate Republicans, good. The dynamics are different from 2016, but I do think that complacency was a major issue last election and I would hate to see that become an issue in 2020 if some think this election was already won based on polls from the spring.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Sounds like the numbers are really tightening up among independent voters. Was some something like Biden +8 among independents a month ago and is now Biden +2.

Don’t you worry, they’ve got John Kasich speaking at the democratic convention. Those moderate and independent voters are gonna flock like bees to honey.

[photon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1295172153357119489

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Four most recent polls in North Carolina: tie, Biden +1, Trump +1, Trump +1. That ain't good news... then there are a bunch of other polls in the past week that show the gap narrowing in Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Arizona, to a point where it's pretty much margin of error territory.

I have no explanation for this trend, other than Kamala wasn't what people were looking for (seems unlikely because this seems to have been happening before the announcement), or just the "races get tighter as we approach fall" rule. Either way, it's distressing. They need their convention bump.

I dont think Kamala is what people were looking for.

I have a general, probably ignorant, question to ask. Do Americans make a distinction between black americans or African-Americans, many generations in America and recent black immigrants from Africa or the Caribbean. I find this distinction important when talking about civil rights, slavery and reparations.

If so, then does the Kamala Harris count as "black" enough? I know that seems a dumb question but in politics it matters. I mean she is 1st generation born in the US, Indian mother, Jamaican father. She a person born from immigrants, like me, like a lot of others. So is she considered a politically black candidate that will bring out more black voters?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by photon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1295172153357119489

Why would she? All she wanted was a sugar daddy and now she's forced to be FLOTUS all thanks to him. I'd be pissed too.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Do Americans make a distinction between black americans or African-Americans, many generations in America and recent black immigrants from Africa or the Caribbean.

No. The voters who care about that only see the color of her skin and don't care about nuance.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I dont think Kamala is what people were looking for.

I have a general, probably ignorant, question to ask. Do Americans make a distinction between black americans or African-Americans, many generations in America and recent black immigrants from Africa or the Caribbean. I find this distinction important when talking about civil rights, slavery and reparations.

If so, then does the Kamala Harris count as "black" enough? I know that seems a dumb question but in politics it matters. I mean she is 1st generation born in the US, Indian mother, Jamaican father. She a person born from immigrants, like me, like a lot of others. So is she considered a politically black candidate that will bring out more black voters?

In case you weren't aware, Barack Obama is mixed-race; his father was a first-generation immigrant from Kenya and his mother was white. If there was any criticism of him not being "black enough" in 2008 and 2012, it certainly wasn't enough to influence voter enthusiasm.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

In case you weren't aware, Barack Obama is mixed-race; his father was a first-generation immigrant from Kenya and his mother was white. If there was any criticism of him not being "black enough" in 2008 and 2012, it certainly wasn't enough to influence voter enthusiasm.

Yes. But race seems to be a bigger deal in 2020 then in 2008. Also, Obama won, he wasn't selected to match a particular narrative.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why would she? All she wanted was a sugar daddy and now she's forced to be FLOTUS all thanks to him. I'd be pissed too.

It must piss Trump off so much that his son talks like an ESL immigrant! haha

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

I haven't gone through the thread to see if this was posted, but a lot of good points about the state of America.

How COVID-19 Signals The End of the America Era:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...davis-1038206/

This is a truly fantastic read. The author's use of back to back to back statistics is particularly compelling.

Thanks for posting this one.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I dont think Kamala is what people were looking for.

I have a general, probably ignorant, question to ask. Do Americans make a distinction between black americans or African-Americans, many generations in America and recent black immigrants from Africa or the Caribbean. I find this distinction important when talking about civil rights, slavery and reparations.

If so, then does the Kamala Harris count as "black" enough? I know that seems a dumb question but in politics it matters. I mean she is 1st generation born in the US, Indian mother, Jamaican father. She a person born from immigrants, like me, like a lot of others. So is she considered a politically black candidate that will bring out more black voters?

There were some black people in media the commentating when Obama was first running that we wasn't culturally the same as African Americans who were decedents of slaves. More recent African immigrants do tend to fair better financially than those that were hurt by slavery, for obvious reasons and some black people see them as different.

Whether or not that was a common view, I don't know since the press reporting on something doesn't necessarily tell you if the idea is popular.

Harris' origin is also from Jamaica where the British used a different form of slavery. While obviously no slavery is good, it wasn't the same brutal form of chattel slavery that was practiced in the U.S. The British also abolished slavery 35 years before the U.S. and maintained Jamaica as a colony until the 1960s. While slavery in Jamaica ensured most black Jamaicans would be poor, they weren't essentially abandoned overnight like most American blacks were when slavery ended. For the same reason African immigrants tend to fair better, black people from the Caribbean who moved to the U.S. tend to have come from means. I imagine there are some people who view Harris as "different" for those reasons.

There is a book called "Black Masters" that caused some controversy in 1984 when it outed some prominent black families. The book talks about black slave owners in America and how it was more common than people realize. Some black families in the U.S. go through great lengths to erase it from their family trees because once the word gets out, they become resented by others in their community. There definitely are some divisions still today based on origin.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

It must piss Trump off so much that his son talks like an ESL immigrant! haha

Now Johnny, it's not nice to make of of the mentally challenged, like little Eric.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why would she? All she wanted was a sugar daddy and now she's forced to be FLOTUS all thanks to him. I'd be pissed too.

Also the whole “Paid a pornstar for sex while she was pregnant” thing.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Coach

Also the whole “Paid a pornstar for sex while she was pregnant” thing.

In fairness, he actually paid the porn star to keep quiet about the sex, probably out of respect for his wife's feelings.

It was an act of charity really. But, you know how wives can be. Particularly third ones.