[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Does anybody know what Hanowski and Agostini's contracts status are? And when/if we can potentially lose one for nothing?

Hanowski's season just ended yesterday and he has to be signed by August or he becomes a UFA.

Agostino has another year of college. The Flames hold his rights until next August.

[swo2k1]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Hanowski's season just ended yesterday and he has to be signed by August or he becomes a UFA.

Agostino has another year of college. The Flames hold his rights until next August.

Hanowski's team won, they advanced to the frozen four.

[Sakari]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

http://www.faceoff.com/sports/Former...130/story.html

Butler talking as if Iggy died.

[Sakari]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Doug Gilmour and Dion Phaneuf say hi.

Gotta say that the Brett Hull trade was probably the worst. The Phaneuf trade wasn't close to this, IMO. Stajan is probably the only reason this team isn't 30th by a long shot, hands down our best forward this season and has shown his capabilities more and more every game. Phaneuf has been pretty bad for the Leafs thus far and Stajan has become one of this teams most important players, and that's a sad reality.

My post was driven with newfound anger however, It's definitely one of the worst trades. This is a trade that should have brought back a return of players that we know the face and the name of, top prospects are what we needed, not two college players that may or may not be small scoring threats in the future. They might, at best, be a couple of David Mosses or Lee Stempniaks, which isn't bad, but we need more than that.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Sakari

Gotta say that the Brett Hull trade was probably the worst. The Phaneuf trade wasn't close to this, IMO. Stajan is probably the only reason this team isn't 30th by a long shot, hands down our best forward this season and has shown his capabilities more and more every game. Phaneuf has been pretty bad for the Leafs thus far and Stajan has become one of this teams most important players, and that's a sad reality.

My post was driven with newfound anger however, It's definitely one of the worst trades. This is a trade that should have brought back a return of players that we know the face and the name of, top prospects are what we needed, not two college players that may or may not be small scoring threats in the future. They might, at best, be a couple of David Mosses or Lee Stempniaks, which isn't bad, but we need more than that.

The Brett Hull trade contributed significantly to our one and only Stanley Cup, how can anyone say that was bad? How many of Hull's trophies, goals, and all star game appearances would Blues fans trade for a Stanley Cup championship?

You are right though, the Iginla trade should have brought back a lot more but it looks like the ntc screwed the value up big time. It was clearly a difficult trade to make for anyone, let alone a guy like Feaster.

[Sakari]

Originally Posted by 868904

The Brett Hull trade contributed significantly to our one and only Stanley Cup, how can anyone say that was bad? How many of Hull's trophies, goals, and all star game appearances would Blues fans trade for a Stanley Cup championship?

You are right though, the Iginla trade should have brought back a lot more but it looks like the ntc screwed the value up big time. It was clearly a difficult trade to make for anyone, let alone a guy like Feaster.

It's definitely debatable.. He went on to be one of the most prolific scorers the NHL has ever known though, would have been a great piece for the Flames. The return definitely wasn't that of what you'd want to get for an NHL legend in his prime. Although we did win the cup the year after, it was a one-sided deal for sure. How many of Hull's goals would have helped the Flames win a cup?

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by Sakari

My post was driven with newfound anger however, It's definitely one of the worst trades. This is a trade that should have brought back a return of players that we know the face and the name of, top prospects are what we needed, not two college players that may or may not be small scoring threats in the future. They might, at best, be a couple of David Mosses or Lee Stempniaks, which isn't bad, but we need more than that.

You don't seem to understand that a player's value is not only determined by how skilled that player is, but also the term of the players contract. That's why Bouwmeester will fetch a superior return. If you had told me at the beginning of the season that an Iginla pure rental trade would bring a first and two prospects I would've been pleasantly surprised. We are lucky that it's a seller's market right now with plenty of teams in the playoff hunt; there are some years where the return from this type of trade would be far worse.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by swo2k1

Hanowski's team won, they advanced to the frozen four.

You're right, of course, thanks - brain cramp on my part

As far as his rights go, it is still the same - the Flames have from the end of his season until August to get him signed

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Zarley

You don't seem to understand that a player's value is not only determined by how skilled that player is, but also the term of the players contract. That's why Bouwmeester will fetch a superior return. If you had told me at the beginning of the season that an Iginla pure rental trade would bring a first and two prospects I would've been pleasantly surprised. We are lucky that it's a seller's market right now with plenty of teams in the playoff hunt; there are some years where the return from this type of trade would be far worse.

I think you're being way to kind. Two prospects could be Morrow and Pouliot, Silfverberg and Zibanejad or in our case the great Ben Hanowski and Kenny Agostino. Vast difference. A first was always going to be the minimum(unless we were getting a blue chipper/NHL ready guy) and the sticking point was always going to be the +. The prospects we got are subpar with one projecting to be a third line guy and the other a career AHLer/13th forward. It is a seller's market, and Feaster somehow sold low.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Sakari

It's definitely debatable.. He went on to be one of the most prolific scorers the NHL has ever known though, would have been a great piece for the Flames. The return definitely wasn't that of what you'd want to get for an NHL legend in his prime. Although we did win the cup the year after, it was a one-sided deal for sure. How many of Hull's goals would have helped the Flames win a cup?

It's an interesting discussion. In the years subsequent to 89, goal scoring was not a problem for the Flames and despite all the goals that Hull scored, his Blues teams were never really close to a Stanley Cup. He didn't actually win one till he joined a stacked and defensively oriented Stars team in which he played a secondary role (coincidentally to Nieuwendyk amongst others), although he did score the cup clinching goal.

I just think, when you are that close, you have to take that chance and sacrifice a future star if it increases your chance to win a cup. More to the point for the Flames in 89, they still had young studs in Nieuwendyk, Roberts, and Fleury up front and I think Ranheim had scored like 60 plus goals in their minor league team as well so they were well stocked.

When I compare it to the Gilmour trade, and the Phanuef trade, it just pales in the fail.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by 868904

It's an interesting discussion. In the years subsequent to 89, goal scoring was not a problem for the Flames and despite all the goals that Hull scored, his Blues teams were never really close to a Stanley Cup. He didn't actually win one till he joined a stacked and defensively oriented Stars team in which he played a secondary role (coincidentally to Nieuwendyk amongst others), although he did score the cup clinching goal.

I just think, when you are that close, you have to take that chance and sacrifice a future star if it increases your chance to win a cup. More to the point for the Flames in 89, they still had young studs in Nieuwendyk, Roberts, and Fleury up front and I think Ranheim had scored like 60 plus goals in their minor league team as well so they were well stocked.

When I compare it to the Gilmour trade, and the Phanuef trade, it just pales in the fail.

You need more than a super goal scorer to win a Cup (See Calgary and Iginla).

People seem to forget that the Hull/Bozek trade was supposed to win the Cup for the Flames in '88. It was a disaster for the Flames that year - they needed a backup goaltender, but Wamsley got injured almost immediately, and was a non-factor. Ramage was not the dominant physical defenseman they thought they needed in '88. Instead, they were swept in the second round by the Oilers, a team they had owned during the year prior to the trade. I think they were swept because they had traded away their best checking forward in Bozek, and could no longer control the Oilers' best line.

I wouldn't put this trade in the failing class of the Gilmour trade, but I think it matches the Phaneuf deal. I think the equivalent of the Flames' trading Hull would be like the Islanders trading away Mike Bossy after his rookie season because he might not have played defense very well. I think it was probably the reason why the Flames only won one Cup.

[JazzyFlame]

This is whats going to happen:

The flames are going to go on a run, grab the 8th position, win the West in the playoffs and destroy the Pens in the Finals. Iggy cries and re-signs with the Pens for 1 more year.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by JazzyFlame

This is whats going to happen:

The flames are going to go on a run, grab the 8th position, win the West in the playoffs and destroy the Pens in the Finals. Iggy cries and re-signs with the Pens for 1 more year.

But then BOTH of our first round picks will suck!!

:|

[FAN]

Originally Posted by MattyC

But then BOTH of our first round picks will suck!!

:|

But it will be worth it.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by MattyC

But then BOTH of our first round picks will suck!!

:|

That is the most Oiler fan-esque comment I have ever read.

[JazzyFlame]

Originally Posted by MattyC

But then BOTH of our first round picks will suck!!

:|

We'll have won the cup.

[Max Cow Disease]

It's been an interesting few days since the trade. I've been quite melancholy at times thinking that Iggy truly isn't a Flame any more (especially when I spooled up the tribute video that played at the Dome, etc.), and it was unquestionably bizarre to see him gliding around in a Penguins jersey.

But, here we stand on a Monday, in a new week, and all of that seems to sort of be fading away. The trade deadline's rapidly approaching, and an air of renewal and excitement is starting to take over. I know that many have been using this opportunity to slag Feaster more than anything else, but I'm genuinely optimistic about what the future may hold for this team.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by MattyC

But then BOTH of our first round picks will suck!!

:|

If it makes you feel any better you can then trade all those players who would've obviously severely out-performed their contracts for picks at the draft.

[VladtheImpaler]

Not sure if it's been mentioned anywhere else, and this seems like the place to discuss it, but Warrener (and the guys) made a huge deal of the fact that nobody from the team, except Tanguay and Cammalleri, showed up to the Iginla presser. Warrener said he would have expected the whole team to attend, and space had been set aside from them, and the boys were wondering what it meant?

[MrMastodonFarm]

If they don't know what it meant, why were they making a big deal out of it?