So you are in agreeance that "Conservative Party official" should be qualified with the word former? As such whatever he has to say doesn't reflect official policy positions of the PP and the current CPC campaign?
Yeah, because we all know that politicians only stick to what's in their official policy and none of them have ever tried to introduce things they claimed they weren't going to once they are elected.
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Cutting public service jobs and look for efficiencies is not something that would negatively impact my vote. On the surface both party policies are fairly close to each other on this where it wouldn't move me one way or another on this issue.
Non alarming issue for me as his speech doesn't represent what the party is campaigning on.
So you don't care about people losing their jobs? That's nice.
The issues the parties aren't officially campaigning on are the MOST alarming issues. Those are the ones they think will cost them votes, so they hide it until after they're elected.
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"The demographic most likely today to say they're going to vote Conservative in our polling are men under the age of 30," said David Coletto, founder and CEO of the polling firm Abacus Data in Ottawa. "That is a complete change to the last few decades of Canadian politics."
Since the 2021 election, however, polling has suggested young men are increasingly likely to support the Conservatives.
A poll conducted by Abacus Data in late March suggested 41 per cent of men under 30 backed the Conservatives, compared to 23 per cent of women in the same age bracket.
"I think young men are most resistant right now to change on a cultural level, not so much on an economic one," Coletto said.
"I think they feel very anxious about the scale and the speed at which change is happening, particularly in societal power structures."
Cultural conservatism skews younger and male. It accepts the need for a social safety net but is concerned about the breakdown of social order, which it blames on the rise of liberal or progressive values.
Many young conservatives see themselves pushing back against "wokeness," which they see as a social justice concept that has been pursued at the expense of other priorities.
I think a lot of it has to do with them being an age where they are easily manipulated, and they follow the American RW social media/podcast losers, and of course Jordan Peterson. This is a generation that is being crushed by BS spread by people who's messaging is crafted to snare them in and give them people to blame and lash out at.
Reading Coletto's quotes that reasoning just doesn't seem to fit the world they were brought up in. These aren't values they learned from parents, schools, and peers in their formative years. This is all trash they've been led to believe, and now spread it themselves, like Beatie form the article:
"The only reason why young people on the right are talking about all of this woke stuff is because people on the left are obsessed with it," Beattie said.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of reality. The only reason the "left" typically talks about social issues is because they have been forced to step in and defend the vulnerable from the unending attacks from the right. The right has been obsessed with these issues because they know, for the same reasons, it gives people someone to blame, so it's easy to make them popular amongst people who have been convinced they are victims while being some of the most privileged. "Wokeness" is an invention of the right, an attempt to make attributes like empathy a negative so they can continue repressing the vulnerable and hold on to the top of the pyramid.
Ask yourself why DEI would exist if there were equality as is being claimed. Were all these companies brainwashed? Or did they identify actual issues they felt needed addressing? Which version is more likely, that the left just became obsessed with forcing forward inequality for....reasons, and that's where it started, or the right saw that their oppressive tactics were beginning to have the walls torn down, and they got scared as #### about losing their privilege, and went to war on equality?
This is what happens when you shrug your shoulders at guys like Peterson, and allow racist news organizations to continue to exist and interview your premier. All this #### should have been shut down years ago, but people barked about censorship being bad, so now we just live in a world where facts don't matter and being openly racist and hateful makes you wealthy and a celebrity, because teenagers are wholly mentally unequipped to handle what we allowed to be thrown at them. Congrats on the free speech thing, I guess.
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this scares me, and one reason why I fear the cons might win. Young (especially white) men don't want to share their privileges.
It's a whole other conversation but I think it's because young men have lost any privilege and over the last 10 years the pendulum has swung so far away from them, they feel marginalized. The message of ending DEI resonates with them as we saw in the US election. I'm not saying they're right or wrong but a decade of hearing how privileged they are while watching governments and society as a whole push other groups up, they feel left behind. Canadian women are only graduating university at a +25% rate compared to men but the stats out of the states have women completing degrees at a 2:1 ratio compared to men. The rise of "red pill" social media definitely plays a part as well and while it's way over the line I don't think society has been kind to young men as of late.
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It's a whole other conversation but I think it's because young men have lost any privilege and over the last 10 years the pendulum has swung so far away from them, they feel marginalized. The message of ending DEI resonates with them as we saw in the US election. I'm not saying they're right or wrong but a decade of hearing how privileged they are while watching governments and society as a whole push other groups up, they feel left behind. Canadian women are only graduating university at a +25% rate compared to men but the stats out of the states have women completing degrees at a 2:1 ratio compared to men. The rise of "red pill" social media definitely plays a part as well and while it's way over the line I don't think society has been kind to young men as of late.
And that's fair too, but the solution isn't to kill DEI it's to recognize what unique needs they as a group have, and address them...with DEI. Because what reasonable solutions are being proposed or done by the right to solve these issues? Absolutely nothing other than tearing others down. How does that make society better? If you follow that DEI is awful and has to go, isn't that just re-instating the privileged white man as the top dog again?
They are like the drowning person who forgot how to swim. The solution isn't to climb on top of the others who are just learning and drown them in the process, it's to adjust the swimming lessons to suit their learning needs too.
Part of the benefit of the program is increased labour participation. The economy benefits by subsidizing people to work and loses out by subsidizing people to stay home.
By that metric, maternity and paternity leave are bad policy.
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Ask yourself why DEI would exist if there were equality as is being claimed. Were all these companies brainwashed? Or did they identify actual issues they felt needed addressing?
In a sense yes they were brainwashed. The companies had to keep up with their peers in order to not be seen in a negative light and succumb to public pressure and the shift in ideology at that time. Look at all the companies and public institutions that have abandoned DEI policies now? They aren't rolling back because the issues have been addressed but rather because there isn't pressure on them anymore. The movement was overblown and out of whack with reasonable policy expectations.
It's a whole other conversation but I think it's because young men have lost any privilege and over the last 10 years the pendulum has swung so far away from them, they feel marginalized. The message of ending DEI resonates with them as we saw in the US election. I'm not saying they're right or wrong but a decade of hearing how privileged they are while watching governments and society as a whole push other groups up, they feel left behind. Canadian women are only graduating university at a +25% rate compared to men but the stats out of the states have women completing degrees at a 2:1 ratio compared to men. The rise of "red pill" social media definitely plays a part as well and while it's way over the line I don't think society has been kind to young men as of late.
Scott Galloway in the US is the largest proponent of advocating for young men in a positive way. I think he highlights well the reasons why young men are becoming conservative and offers antidotes for it.
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In a sense yes they were brainwashed. The companies had to keep up with their peers in order to not be seen in a negative light and succumb to public pressure and the shift in ideology at that time. Look at all the companies and public institutions that have abandoned DEI policies now? They aren't rolling back because the issues have been addressed but rather because there isn't pressure on them anymore. The movement was overblown and out of whack with reasonable policy expectations.
Companies did it because it was the right thing to do and they recognized their own practices were contributing to inequality, and felt it would be good for the company financially(and it has been proven to be so) and also good socially and for corporate image. In short the benefits were in line with financial goals, and also socially positive. Win win. Plus governments were doing what they do, making companies follow practices that benefit society in general, because corporations are driven by money.
Disagree on the bold, there is strong pressure to get rid of them from the right. You can't ignore that the US government is removing funding, support, and actively punishing companies and countries that have any sort of DEI policy. Did you see how quickly corporations dumped environmental goals when Trump got elected? They mostly had little financial benefit and probably a cost, but had the social good. The decision was simple. DEI getting dumped because they fear losing money, and the brainwashed masses have been convinced DEI policies are bad, so they lost the social benefit too. Corporations sway with the direction of money. Once the government switched from supporting to punishing DEI the change was obvious.
Love that you think striving for equality is overblown. Says a lot about you.
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Scott Galloway in the US is the largest proponent of advocating for young men in a positive way. I think he highlights well the reasons why young men are becoming conservative and offers antidotes for it.
Richard Reeves has also been trying to raise awareness about the state of boys and young men. The widening disparities in educational and social outcomes have become impossible to ignore.
It’s a mistake to concede the issue of failing boys to conservatives. We need a better narrative than “we’ve been doing masculinity wrong all this time and boys need to be more like girls.” And it needs to be okay for institutions to bring in policies that help boys without being attacked by progressives or the left for betraying women. It’s not a tug-of-war.
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And that's fair too, but the solution isn't to kill DEI it's to recognize what unique needs they as a group have, and address them...with DEI. Because what reasonable solutions are being proposed or done by the right to solve these issues? Absolutely nothing other than tearing others down. How does that make society better? If you follow that DEI is awful and has to go, isn't that just re-instating the privileged white man as the top dog again?
They are like the drowning person who forgot how to swim. The solution isn't to climb on top of the others who are just learning and drown them in the process, it's to adjust the swimming lessons to suit their learning needs too.
Do you honestly think that any group is going to look after the needs of white men, other than white men?
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Do you honestly think that any group is going to look after the needs of white men, other than white men?
Strangely in the US it's just happened. Loads of non-white men and women voting against their own best interests because they've been so thoroughly deceived as to what the problems are. They have been convinced to blame their financial struggles, not on the wealthiest men on earth enriching themselves in the largest consolidation of global wealth we've ever seen, but on their own poor neighbours who also struggle, but are now to blame.
It's been a masterful deception, that unfortunately has worked incredibly well.
Conservatism by today’s standards is pretty extreme. Let’s call it what it is. Fascism. And young men are being radicalized into adopting it.
Good thing young men historically don't show up to vote. I can't help but to suspect that those betting on young men and the debates to save Pierre are going to be disappointed.
Strangely in the US it's just happened. Loads of non-white men and women voting against their own best interests because they've been so thoroughly deceived as to what the problems are. They have been convinced to blame their financial struggles, not on the wealthiest men on earth enriching themselves in the largest consolidation of global wealth we've ever seen, but on their own poor neighbours who also struggle, but are now to blame.
It's been a masterful deception, that unfortunately has worked incredibly well.
I don't mean the oligarchs, or 'old money'. I think that the reason why so many young white men are leaning right, is because this is the group at the age where they are fighting for jobs/careers. There is a belief that there isn't an equal playing field, based on experience and ability.
I'm in a field right now, that it disproportionately dominated by one particular racial grouping. There is absolutely a bias, but no one seems to care as long at the dominating group isn't white or male. It's not exactly hidden, and I can literally sit back and watch it breed resentment.
Finding the solution within DEI doesn't seem to work, and the reactionary method of violently dismantling DEI (in the States) seems even worse. The only path forward for young white men seems to be racism.
It's a problem built by good intentions, but it's getting worse.
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