Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

It sounds like Tanev is going to be out 4 to 6 months, so he'll be on LTIR at the start of the season. I wonder if that gives Flames the cap flexibility to work all the contracts in. If they can convince Lucic to retire, than you free up another $5.5M.

Come on put yourself in Lucic position, why would you give up 5 mil? Try explaining that one to the wife! I also expect that he enjoyed this season so why would he give up another season just to make life easy for the GM. Lets be sensible here.

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Treliving has stated he will move heaven and earth to get these deals done and it is on him it make it work. Johnny and Chucky are the cornerstone superstars of the team. Other teams have multiple $10M players and the flames are at the spot they need to do the same. These are the best homegrown players of the post Iginla era of the team and if they are willing to stay for 8 years each they need to make it happen.

Mangiapane could be a sacrifice. I can see Dube being a guy who is moved. Monahan and Lucic are the prime suspects but easier said than done.

Trading Tkachuk is an option but plan C or D

Great these two superstars did not get it done this year and to stand any chance in the future they are going to have to do it with a weaker team because they are going to eat up a large portion of the cap. JG is going to be looking for a lot more than 10 mil as will MT this year or next.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

Great these two superstars did not get it done this year and to stand any chance in the future they are going to have to do it with a weaker team because they are going to eat up a large portion of the cap. JG is going to be looking for a lot more than 10 mil as will MT this year or next.

Last summer no one would have said these guys would ever sniff close to 100pts in their careers moving forward. Johnny peaked in 2019 is what everyone said.

Both guys took big steps forward. We have a great prospect in Pelletier who may make an impact next year.

This teams problems are far more related to overpriced low end players than it is their superstars. It is clear they are not looking to tear it down and rebuild. Keeping Johnny needs to be priority 1, keeping Chucky priority 2. They can’t have a 6.375M 4th line C or $5.25M enforcer or $5.65M bottom pair on D.

Maybe they have to flip Toffoli right away? Trade Mangiapane, or Backlund? If another team is looking to overpay for Tkachuk then Treliving should listen but he should be a player you keep unless the deal is too good to pass up. Don’t move him because you need to keep bottom end roster players

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

Come on put yourself in Lucic position, why would you give up 5 mil? Try explaining that one to the wife! I also expect that he enjoyed this season so why would he give up another season just to make life easy for the GM. Lets be sensible here.

He gets $3M in a month, and then only $1M for the season.

Not sure where the $3M counts for cap reasons, but he could retire this summer with only $1M to play for.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by 2macinnis2

Look, that line wasn’t very good defensively in either series. Further, the offense was primarily driven by Gaudreau, not Tkachuk. I get that Tkachuk had a great regular season… I’m talking about playoffs. That line can be a better playoff line with a replacement IMO. And whatever his metrics may be, I just personally have never found him noticeable making good defensive plays, again particularly not in the playoffs.

Tkachuk is a really good player no doubt. But as others have mentioned, you simply cannot pay him and Gaudreau their market value. Gaudreau is far more important to keep, and Tkachuk could actually net you some return.

It’s a pretty straightforward decision, and you have be able to find a silver lining once you arrive at it.

I am not buying the narrative that Johnny is responsible for all Chucky’s production. This is a guy who scored 34 and 77pts playing with Backlund and Frolik on the second line at 21 years old.

I agree that if the choice comes down to one or the other Gaudreau is who you keep simply from an asset management standpoint. One can bring back assets the other walks.

This team already has too many high priced middle players so trading Tkachuk for a $5M speedy defensive guy is not making the top line or team better. They need to rid themselves of some of the dead weight and keep the star players.

If anything Chucky still has a higher ceiling than what he has showed as he matures. Playoffs have not gone the best but that doesn’t mean it will always be this way. Chucky scored a memorial cup winning OT goal he has played big in some big games before. I think he puts too much pressure on himself in these big games and it hasn’t worked out as well as anyone hoped. He is young enough to get better.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is on Treliving to fix. Find a way to move the guys chewing up all that cash in the middle 6. Bscklund, Coleman, Toffoli, Monahan, Lucic are nice to have but not need to have when compared to Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Let’s see how Brad makes it work but when you have 2 star players talk about loving the city and wanting to stay then they need to make it happen. We are talking about 2 top 10 scorers in the league last year. 1 is a pending UFA that we can’t lose and the other is just 24 years old.

Lindholm is the other core forward luckily he is on one of the best non ELC deals in the league.

I think the Flames top line has the ability to be the Western version of Boston’s perfection line. Dominant for years to come. Keep them together and move on from others. Easier said than done but that is Treliving’s job

Backlund was the Flames best player against the Oilers...him, Coleman, Mangiapane the best line

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Wonder if you could engage with Lucic to re-negotiate his contract to a lower cap hit. Would he reduce his $$ by extending his term maybe? Not ideal but the pitch would be "hey, wanna win?". Same with Monahan to free up a $3-4 mill.

It's too bad but the CBA doesn't allow this anymore. I remember Turek being the biggest beauty and renegotiating his contract to reflect him becoming a backup to Kipper after the 04 season.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Backlund was the Flames best player against the Oilers...him, Coleman, Mangiapane the best line

Yes best player for 7-8 days. 39pts for 5.35M. I would rather have Johnny and Chucky. Sacrifices need to be made it needs to come from this expensive 2-3rd line group

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He gets $3M in a month, and then only $1M for the season.

Not sure where the $3M counts for cap reasons, but he could retire this summer with only $1M to play for.

If he retired the bonus is paid back

I am not sure if Flames can “waive” that requirement though

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Yes best player for 7-8 days. 39pts for 5.35M. I would rather have Johnny and Chucky. Sacrifices need to be made it needs to come from this expensive 2-3rd line group

Lucic, Monahan, Toffoli, all should be moved before Backlund IMO.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Lucic, Monahan, Toffoli, all should be moved before Backlund IMO.

I agree especially since we don’t really have anyone who could be a number 2 C.

My point is Lucic, Monahan, Toffoli, Coleman, Bscklund, Mangiapane should all be moved over Gaudreau or Tkachuk (unless there is a ridiculous overpay on the table for Tkachuk)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He gets $3M in a month, and then only $1M for the season.

Not sure where the $3M counts for cap reasons, but he could retire this summer with only $1M to play for.

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If he retired the bonus is paid back

I am not sure if Flames can “waive” that requirement though

The bonus and low salary are what make him potentially tradable to a team with cap room that nonetheless doesn't want to spend as much cash. Pay him his bonus, then trade him - for $1M actual cash he's a good player. I wonder if you can pay his bonus early to get that done quicker.

[Pellanor]

A lot of people have been talking about moving Monahan to make room for Johnny's raise. However they're such good friends, would Johnny want that? If he wants to keep playing together, is there anything stopping him from just signing a one-year lower value (7m again) contract before July 1, then immediately signing a 8 year contract extension once the season starts and we have both Monahan and Lucic's contracts off the books for next year?

[Royle9]

Should be moved yes.
But getting it done is the issue:

Moving Lucic and Monahan will be extremely difficult.
Moving Toffoli after trading for him so soon likely won’t happen.
Just brought Coleman here as UFA so he won’t be traded
Backlund at his cap hit likely won’t happen as he’s overpaid for a 3c (good defensively)

[PeteMoss]

Just know that basically every team in the league is in a similar position and the idea that guys like Zadarov and Gudbranson are going to get huge raises is a big stretch.

And assuming he's healthy enough (or not some kind of keep my boy around demand by Gaudreau) - Monahan is going to be bought out which is a $4m cap savings vs adding a high draft pick to move him out.

[Murph]

What is the consensus on what someone like Ryan Strome would cost?

EDIT - I mean AAV on a UFA deal

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Pellanor

A lot of people have been talking about moving Monahan to make room for Johnny's raise. However they're such good friends, would Johnny want that? If he wants to keep playing together, is there anything stopping him from just signing a one-year lower value (7m again) contract before July 1, then immediately signing a 8 year contract extension once the season starts and we have both Monahan and Lucic's contracts off the books for next year?

If he was a fool, yes. One major injury on a one year deal and its over. Hes healthy and nows his time to get paid.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Just know that basically every team in the league is in a similar position and the idea that guys like Zadarov and Gudbranson are going to get huge raises is a big stretch.

And assuming he's healthy enough (or not some kind of keep my boy around demand by Gaudreau) - Monahan is going to be bought out which is a $4m cap savings vs adding a high draft pick to move him out.

I'd also wager that Mangiapane is going to go to arbitration while I'm making overly confident predictions.

[Roof-Daddy]

They should offer Lucic a front office job if he's willing to retire this off season. I'm sure they could find something for him to do, and it may be a shady move but who gives a ####? The league is a corrupt, biased pile of garbage anyways.

[Britflamesfan]

I really believe this was the year, its not panned out and now the GM is essentially stuffed. His own fault he has put himself in this position and whatever happens next years team is going to be way weaker than this years. I have no problem him giving out big rises to those who he wants to keep but the big problem will be they will come with NMC and NTC that will potentially stuff the team further down line ala Iggy. I do not want another 8 years of being a middling team. How is it other teams manage to win and then come back and are challenging again within a few years. We pay out to the Cap yet are cannot even get close too Stanley. If its not working then change it up.