I didn't say CNRL. You asked about the City. If that was your intent, you need to detail that.
Entice with tax revenues? What are they going to do? Share a business case? "we got this article from this Sunday paper guy"
[sigh] - you said the Owners' oil and gas business would take some sort of reputational hit. That's CNRL (for Edwards). I asked how, and after talking about their clients etc, and getting that rebutted, you eventually said "in their negotiations with the city". Maybe you are mixing up your arguments.
As far as tax revenues, I don't entirely buy the "build it and increase tax revenues" case, but there's more than just a newspaper article to support it. There are studies both ways.
ETA: though I believe the majority of studies favour the little or no impact conclusion
Huge assumptions there, but what does CNRL care about any of that? How could it possibly affect negotiations with the city?
I understood "it" as, going nuclear, with a move threat.
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[sigh] - you said the Owners' oil and gas business would take some sort of reputational hit. That's CNRL (for Edwards). I asked how, and after talking about their clients etc, and getting that rebutted, you eventually said "in their negotiations with the city". Maybe you are mixing up your arguments.
Why does CNRL have brand considerations?
I said, their Employees would. Vendors would. Clients would.
Granularly;
Employees - losing the cities favorite sports team. Morale hit. "you work for the owner who facilitated that" Morale quantifiably affects productivity.
Clients & Vendors - similar to above.
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As far as tax revenues, I don't entirely buy the "build it and increase tax revenues" case, but there's more than just a newspaper article to support it. There are studies both ways.
ETA: though I believe the majority of studies favour the little or no impact conclusion
It would surprise me considerably if any of their ventures actually fail to break even.
I know the Vancouver giants are/were basically printing money. I've been to the house it bought.
Those businesses are actually insanely profitable because they leverage off the flames. From a business ops perspective both have very few dedicated employees.
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken It would surprise me considerably if any of their ventures actually fail to break even.
I know the Vancouver giants are/were basically printing money. I've been to the house it bought.
Not anymore. The Giants are moving to Langley to cut costs.
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The Giants announced that crowds averaged 5,169 this past season. Business in Vancouver, thanks to figures obtained from Freedom of Information, reported in April that actual attendance worked out to 3,332 per game.
I can't imagine any more than ~5% of the people in this city even know that Murray Edwards is the principal owner of the Flames. Only half of those know that he = CNRL. And only half of that smaller group knows very much about what CNRL does.
A quarter of the city probably still thinks the Stampede still operates the Dome.
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Kent Hehr says there will be no federal funding for a professional sports facility ... but there could be money available for amateur sports uses and the environmental cleanup of the West Village.
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There are no specific federal or provincial programs that would fund the decontamination of the site but during last fall’s federal election campaign, Hehr as a candidate suggested Ottawa could have a part to play in the clean-up.
“Environmental remediation is the responsibility of all governments,” he reiterated this week.
“That has an outstanding liability that affects Calgary and the like and should there be a provincial and civic lead on making that a priority, I’m certain there could be asks made … to possibly be part of that environmental reclamation.”
Hehr said he has had discussions about the CalgaryNEXT proposal with Ken King, president of the Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corp.
In an interview Friday, King said Hehr has told him there could conceivably be a federal role in the project, though he made no promises of money.
“I really like his attitude about things,” said King.
“He cares about sports, professional and amateur and he made that clear. He said, ‘Ken, I get this, I understand it, I understand what you’re trying to do.'”
“We have made no formal request and the fact that he, like the provincial government, has an open mind on it, is all we ever kind of want until we get down to a deal.”
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#yyccc agrees to defer report on @CalgaryNext until Q1 2017. Initial report was expected by the end of October. #CalgaryNEXT #yyc
I thought the process in Edmonton was painful and drawn out. Starting to think Edmonton may be negotiating the replacement for Rogers Place by the time CalgaryNEXT comes to fruition.
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Usually site specific ones commissioned for the purpose of persuasion. However, the authors do have professional reputations to support, so while they seek to establish a point, they can't be, you know, false.
Rosentraub, 2010 Rosentraub, M.S. (2010). Major league winners: Using sports and cultural centers as tools for economic development. Boca Raton, FL: Routledge.
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The best case for the city and CSEC is that a new hockey arena is built on/by Stampede grounds, and and the fieldhouse that functions also as a football stadium is built at Foothills Athletic Park. The hockey arena will be funded by CSEC, while they get their wish in the city building a new football stadium for them. Since the primary purpose of the facility is amaetur athletics and recreation, it would satisfy the optics for government funding from all levels.
With the fieldhouse in foothills, The stamps will have a new home game venue as well a new training facility. But The University of Calgary will be major tenants here as well, and probably be the ones to use the facility the most since it would also replace the Norma Bush hockey arena (I assume), gives the swimming teams/clubs a new/better competitive venue to train and do competitions at, as well a proper training facility for the track and field team - and most Dinos athletics in general. Also the Canadian Sport Institute would likely be a major tenant.
The foothills location is much more accessible for the university, as well for the public in general since parking would be more easily available than downtown would be. I would hope that CSEC is already establishing the ground work to act upon Plan B as soon as possible. The report should rule more in that favour than with West Village proposal.
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Spit balling;
City buys Remington lamds, consolidates it with the other Stampede land & moves the CT Bus Depot. That plot should have room for new Rink and Field House. I hazard that at $100m
Another $350m from City, Province, Ottawa. Olympic bid monies.
$450m, total commitment. They got their own land, at $0 property tax.
CSEC will build in an area that just has those remaining pieces of land; in completing the areas redevelopment.
Deep down, do you people really (and I mean really) believe, that the massive inertia behind CalgaryNext (power, money, influence, upcoming election) is really going to result in alternative plans and locations?
I mean it's cute to stomp your feet and wax poetically about how this doesn't make economic sense and all that, but c'mon, this is a slam dunk eventuality. You've just got to sit back and enjoy the posturing for the next few years before ground breaks in the West Village
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Deep down, do you people really (and I mean really) believe, that the massive inertia behind CalgaryNext (power, money, influence, upcoming election) is really going to result in alternative plans and locations?
I mean it's cute to stomp your feet and wax poetically about how this doesn't make economic sense and all that, but c'mon, this is a slam dunk eventuality. You've just got to sit back and enjoy the posturing for the next few years before ground breaks in the West Village
If the ground wasn't contaminated, I would say yes.
Given that environmental disaster, I am not sure CNext ever happens.
CalgaryNEXT is never happening, I feel extremely confident of that, unless of course the Flames want to eat the whole cost (so yeah....never happening). It'll eventually be an arena north of the Dome grounds and that'll be that. Just a matter of the process playing out. But I'll keep harping on this, the timing is just dreadful for the Flames to be asking for public money. Hindsight is everything but 2006 was the time to do it. Now is just awful.
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Deep down, do you people really (and I mean really) believe, that the massive inertia behind CalgaryNext (power, money, influence, upcoming election) is really going to result in alternative plans and locations?
I mean it's cute to stomp your feet and wax poetically about how this doesn't make economic sense and all that, but c'mon, this is a slam dunk eventuality. You've just got to sit back and enjoy the posturing for the next few years before ground breaks in the West Village
Yes.
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