Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Johnny Makarov]

Yes i guess it's my fault for listening to PP pressers but god damn it makes your ears bleed.

"40 criminals in Vancouver committed 6000 crimes! "

Too lazy to fact check but that sounds made up... lol

and the dweeb is ending every point he makes with "for a change"...

[Ashasx]

Liberal candidate Peter Yuen, chosen to replace Paul Chiang, linked to pro-Beijing groups, events

Mr. Yuen appears to have a strong relationship with China’s diplomatic mission in Toronto. In 2014, the consulate held an event to mark his promotion to Toronto police superintendent. He has attended consulate celebrations, including one in January, 2020, that included a photo display on Xinjiang province that did not acknowledge Beijing’s brutal treatment of its Muslim Uyghur minority there. Canada’s Parliament adopted a motion in 2021 that declared China’s treatment of its Uyghurs a genocide.

Mr. Yuen has also spoken at and attended events of the Toronto branch of Chinese Freemasons, which has advocated for what it calls the “peaceful reunification of China and Taiwan,” a phrase rejected by the Taiwanese government, which contends that only the self-governing island can decide its own future. Ottawa’s position is that it opposes the use of coercion or force to unilaterally change the status quo of Taiwan.

The new Liberal candidate as of Wednesday was listed as honorary director of the Jiangsu Commerce Council of Canada (JCCC), a Toronto-headquartered organization founded in 2002 with clear ties to China’s United Front Work Department. The UFWD answers to the ruling Chinese Communist Party’s central committee and oversees Beijing’s influence, propaganda and intelligence operations inside and outside of China.

“I have built a great career committed to public service and have a track record of maintaining the health, safety and well-being of those in our community as Toronto’s former Deputy Police Chief. I’m ready to build a stronger community for the people of Markham-Unionville,” he said in an e-mailed response that was sent by the Liberal Party.

Liberal spokesperson Isabella Orozco-Madison said Mr. Yuen went through “a robust” vetting process by the party’s Green Light Committee before Mr. Carney named him the candidate to replace Mr. Chiang.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...ang-linked-to/

[Johnny Makarov]

hahahahahahaha. A reporter just asked him if he believes in the polls and if he would respect the results of the election?

and effing Trump Boy wouldn't answer it. He just start spewing about the lost Liberal decade and how we cannot give them a 4th term..

sooo yup. If he loses he will prob call it a fraud election.. what a turd.

[gasman]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Yes i guess it's my fault for listening to PP pressers but god damn it makes your ears bleed.

"40 criminals in Vancouver committed 6000 crimes! "

Too lazy to fact check but that sounds made up... lol

and the dweeb is ending every point he makes with "for a change"...

Based on what I can research its probably more true than you would want to believe. The stat is that 40 individuals has over 6385 negative police contacts with police. Negative contact is defined in the table as someone being considered a suspect, a suspect who is “chargeable,” an individual who has been charged, or a person for whom charges have been recommended.

These would most likely be property type crime, not violent offenses. and most are likely small crimes like vehicle break and enters where the cops have a good idea who did it, but it isn't worth a full blown investigation.

I can believe it, that would be 160 crimes in a year on average/per person. I can believe some of these low life's are breaking in to 160 cars, or stealing bags from arenas, or vandalizing property that often.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by gasman

Based on what I can research its probably more true than you would want to believe. The stat is that 40 individuals has over 6385 negative police contacts with police. Negative contact is defined in the table as someone being considered a suspect, a suspect who is “chargeable,” an individual who has been charged, or a person for whom charges have been recommended.

These would most likely be property type crime, not violent offenses. and most are likely small crimes like vehicle break and enters where the cops have a good idea who did it, but it isn't worth a full blown investigation.

I can believe it, that would be 160 crimes in a year on average/per person. I can believe some of these low life's are breaking in to 160 cars, or stealing bags from arenas, or vandalizing property that often.

Oh sorry. i didn't type out his claim correctly. the deplorable said it was 6000 arrests.

[gasman]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Oh sorry. i didn't type out his claim correctly. the deplorable said it was 6000 arrests.

In that case, it was a misleading statistic. But the point is that there are a small number of people committing the majority of small and petty crime and it is a result of the catch and release of our current judicial system.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

hahahahahahaha. A reporter just asked him if he believes in the polls and if he would respect the results of the election?

and effing Trump Boy wouldn't answer it. He just start spewing about the lost Liberal decade and how we cannot give them a 4th term..

sooo yup. If he loses he will prob call it a fraud election.. what a turd.

I was watching that live. I'm pretty sure he responded "yes" that he would respect the election results. He then proceeded with his anti-Lib talking points.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I was watching that live. I'm pretty sure he responded "yes" that he would respect the election results. He then proceeded with his anti-Lib talking points.

How would we know? He could have said Yes to the if he believes in polls question.

and he won't answer any follow up questions. So after spewing his diarrhea for 30 mins he allows for 4 vetted questions. the CBC has not been able to ask a question in weeks.

If I were the CBC I was just say eff that and not even cover his campaign.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by gasman

In that case, it was a misleading statistic. But the point is that there are a small number of people committing the majority of small and petty crime and it is a result of the catch and release of our current judicial system.

For small and petty crime I think police don't bother to even try and catch (and consequently no release needed). Which makes sense in the larger scheme... if they pursued and caught everybody and charged everybody with every small and petty crime police budgets would skyrocket, the courts would clog up, jails capacity couldn't accommodate them, and administration costs would go through the roof.

I don't think even "tough on crime" conservatives would actually want Danielle Smith to spend billions and billions of dollars so that we can promptly throw that guy who stole a pork roast and box of chicken quarters from out of the freezer in your garage in jail for 30 days.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Watched this last night. PP is pathetic and the Cons super limit his questions and who asks them. Also from day one no reporter is allowed to ask follow up questions. This is to protect the RW moron from spewing more of his attacking verbal diarrhea. hahaha Good choice Cons! How can anyone even consider voting for him unless you are an uneducated deplorable?

Dig your effing graves election after election. The LOST Liberal 3 Decades!!



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pie...cess-1.7506045

The part I cannot understand though, is why the media panders to this. Why wouldn't they say "fine, you are going to limit the questions and who gets to ask, so we just won't cover your events." The CPC would change immediately if all the airtime was for the other campaigns and they had trouble getting their message out.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Slava

The part I cannot understand though, is why the media panders to this. Why wouldn't they say "fine, you are going to limit the questions and who gets to ask, so we just won't cover your events." The CPC would change immediately if all the airtime was for the other campaigns and they had trouble getting their message out.

Because The Sun, Rebel, Western Standard, True North etc would still be there. This is what happens when you let BS companies pretend to be journalists. I know regulation of the press is all a big no-no in a democracy, but I also strongly feel that this has gone on far too long, and we are just starting to witness the damage of it.


We need the CRTC or someone to actual license media organizations, and they lose their license due to repeated improprieties. Once unlicensed, they lose standard media access, and are not permitted to attend government press events. Only then would media organizations be able to come together to stop this. But nobody cares, so these lying grifters end up with far more power than any respectable democracy should give them.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Because The Sun, Rebel, Western Standard, True North etc would still be there. This is what happens when you let BS companies pretend to be journalists. I know regulation of the press is all a big no-no in a democracy, but I also strongly feel that this has gone on far too long, and we are just starting to witness the damage of it.


We need the CRTC or someone to actual license media organizations, and they lose their license due to repeated improprieties. Once unlicensed, they lose standard media access, and are not permitted to attend government press events. Only then would media organizations be able to come together to stop this. But nobody cares, so these lying grifters end up with far more power than any respectable democracy should give them.

Sure, but the fact is losing articles and pieces from CTV, CBC and significant media outlets would be a huge price to pay. I know that this board probably doesn't get their news this way, but a lot of older people are still watching the news at 6pm. The CPC needs those outlets to play ball.

[woob]

Carney talking about revitalizing the gun buyback program. I think this is a misstep and an unneeded policy right now. He’s framing as part of a crime policy, but there’s things he can do with crime policy without touching this aspect.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by woob

Carney talking about revitalizing the gun buyback program. I think this is a misstep and an unneeded policy right now. He’s framing as part of a crime policy, but there’s things he can do with crime policy without touching this aspect.

How about rolling back some of the needless additions they made to list of prohibited weapons, then the buyback program would not be needed. I guess that's my gear grinder today, the incompetence and stupidity of the whole firearms program.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by woob

Carney talking about revitalizing the gun buyback program. I think this is a misstep and an unneeded policy right now. He’s framing as part of a crime policy, but there’s things he can do with crime policy without touching this aspect.

With the CPC vote holding strong at levels that would normally be flirting with a majority, and with the CPC base seemingly pumped if rallies are any indication, I can see Carney wanting to lock in as many progressive votes as possible, damn the consequence. His lead is based on former NDP and BQ supporters - he needs to make sure they commit to him.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by woob

Carney talking about revitalizing the gun buyback program. I think this is a misstep and an unneeded policy right now. He’s framing as part of a crime policy, but there’s things he can do with crime policy without touching this aspect.

Originally Posted by Lubicon

How about rolling back some of the needless additions they made to list of prohibited weapons, then the buyback program would not be needed. I guess that's my gear grinder today, the incompetence and stupidity of the whole firearms program.

Yeah, this is the first big "FFS" I'm having with the Liberal campaign right now. No need to even go there, and would prefer this be a subject he steered the Liberals toward the centre on as well.

[indes]

Originally Posted by woob

Carney talking about revitalizing the gun buyback program. I think this is a misstep and an unneeded policy right now. He’s framing as part of a crime policy, but there’s things he can do with crime policy without touching this aspect.

Definitely another misstep. The farther he ventures from the center to the left, the more small c conservatives he's going to lose, it's not a major issue for me but I disagree with the policy and anecdotally know more than a few people that this will give pause to.

EDIT: Just to pile on here, who does this policy appeal to? Really bizarre thing to have during a campaign where anyone for the gun buyback program would most likely already be voting for you.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Slava

Sure, but the fact is losing articles and pieces from CTV, CBC and significant media outlets would be a huge price to pay. I know that this board probably doesn't get their news this way, but a lot of older people are still watching the news at 6pm. The CPC needs those outlets to play ball.

I honestly don’t know that they do in 2025. You’re right that a lot of older Canadians access their news from those sources. But from the CPC’s point of view, most of that demographic are locked in to their voting choices or in ridings that aren’t in play federally.

In the U.S., the Republicans have very little support in the MSM (Fox News, and that’s about it), while the Democrats dominate. But Trump doesn’t care about the NYT, NBC news, CNN, etc., because the American right dominates the online media space. That’s the strategy the CPC are taking under Poilievre. To his base, the MSM are the enemy.

[indes]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I honestly don’t know that they do in 2025. You’re right that a lot of older Canadians access their news from those sources. But from the CPC’s point of view, most of that demographic are locked in to their voting choices or in ridings that aren’t in play federally.

In the U.S., the Republicans have very little support in the MSM (Fox News, and that’s about it), while the Democrats dominate. But Trump doesn’t care about the NYT, NBC news, CNN, etc., because the American right dominates the online media space. That’s the strategy the CPC are taking under Poilievre. To his base, the MSM are the enemy.

I was just saying the other day that my Instagram feed is being blasted with pro-CPC/anti-Liberal content. I don't follow or like anything political on there and every 5th reel is basically a CPC ad.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Because The Sun, Rebel, Western Standard, True North etc would still be there. This is what happens when you let BS companies pretend to be journalists. I know regulation of the press is all a big no-no in a democracy, but I also strongly feel that this has gone on far too long, and we are just starting to witness the damage of it.


We need the CRTC or someone to actual license media organizations, and they lose their license due to repeated improprieties. Once unlicensed, they lose standard media access, and are not permitted to attend government press events. Only then would media organizations be able to come together to stop this. But nobody cares, so these lying grifters end up with far more power than any respectable democracy should give them.

Yes, but if they were to limit or take away a license you'd just have the same parties crying about free speech and censorship. Just think about the faux outrage for Jordan Peterson being 'censored'