$675? Holy ####. Plus installation and $30 a month monitoring. Wow!!
You can buy a Matter or Zwave shutoff, 2 leak sensors, and a Smartthings Hub for half of that. No subscription and you dont have to rely on Moen's cloud services.
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You can buy a Matter or Zwave shutoff, 2 leak sensors, and a Smartthings Hub for half of that. No subscription and you dont have to rely on Moen's cloud services.
Moisture. There's two probes that lay against the ground. I have one on our basement floor drain as we've had back ups in the past. One under the dishwasher and one behind the fridge. Dont have a valve shut off as I havent found one that fits our weird butterfly style valve but i havent looked all that hard.
Was the insurance premium drop enough to cover the monthly cost of the service?
The supply/install was ~$1375, and reduced the insurance premium by $500 for the year (so no, not the first year atleast).
The leak detection works without a subscription (but you pay the full install upfront). You get extended warranty and some other stuff with the $5/mo subscription.
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FACK I hate the subscription model. Does it detect drop in pressure? Low level? How does it discern between someone using a faucet and a very slow pinhole leak?
The valve closes once a day (during the night) and the system detects pressure loss downstream of the valve if there's a slow leak.
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Probably more risk never opening and closing a valve.
100% correct. Have a plumber friend that absolutely recommends operating valves a couple times/yr for exactly the reasons you state. Including the ones for your toilets and sinks.
I had a my main water gateway valve go bad on me when I had to replace another gateway valve on my hot water tank. That was fun.
To boot, I live in a townhouse so to have the plumbers come in an replace my main valve, they had to shut off water to 5 other units. Silly design.
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If you never use your valves eventually they'll probably seize. I actually think using them a couple times per year makes the valve less likely to fail.
I close mine about 5x per year (any time I'm gone more than 3-4 days).
Water Trouble workers will tell you to exercise your valve at least once per year. I can positively attest, however, that most people have no idea how, and have claimed they have never shut off their water ever.
Gate valves are notorious for seizing if not exercised. Ball valves are better, but should still be exercised annually.
* Crews have collected water samples and confirmed our water meets or exceeds drinking water standards set by Alberta Health Services and Alberta Environment and Protected Areas.
* Testing was for turbidity (how clear the water is), residual chlorine (to ensure adequate disinfection) and harmful bacteria.
* ️ Now that testing confirms our water is safe to drink, we are slowly opening valves to reconnect the feeder main to the larger distribution network.
* Then we will turn on pumps at the Bearspaw Treatment Plant to push water through the feeder main.
This multi-phase process carries a higher risk as increased water flow can stress pipes and connections.
So if people haven't seen, they have installed a bunch of temporary berms and sandbags along Parkdale Blvd and in Bowness, as Farkas noted earlier.
I wonder if there is a significant risk that when they start the pipe up again, it fails at another location and we end up back in the same place we were when this most recent failure happened - digging out the line and replacing it again.
Until the twinning happens it's just going to be a sword of Damocles, it seems like.
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So if people haven't seen, they have installed a bunch of temporary berms and sandbags along Parkdale Blvd and in Bowness, as Farkas noted earlier.
I wonder if there is a significant risk that when they start the pipe up again, it fails at another location and we end up back in the same place we were when this most recent failure happened - digging out the line and replacing it again.
Until the twinning happens it's just going to be a sword of Damocles, it seems like.
Yeah. I've never run a pipeline system carrying anything you'd want to drink, but it seems to me that de-rating the maximum operating pressure of the line might be a good idea here. Even if we get less capacity out of the NW that's a lot better than having none, and if we can get through to the twinned line without another failure then the issue shouldn't reoccur.
And in the interim, people don't have to skip baths or forego laundry necessarily, but just try to conserve water where possible.
Like there is a huge difference between the water restrictions when the last line failed (e.g. changing how you do life on a daily basis) to these restrictions (try to be quick with your showers, put off laundry, don't flush as often), to what could easily be just ongoing restrictions going forward (try to keep showers short, don't let the tap run the whole time while you're brushing your teeth or shaving, don't run dishwashers / laundry until they're full loads, don't wash your car until it's necessary) that shouldn't make anyone's life more difficult in observing them.
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I've been putting off doing laundry because I have enough spares, and figured may as well wait until we find out if this is fixed or not. If it's not, I'll have to do them anyway. But no need now. Underwear have two sides, people.
Yeah the laundry hamper is really overflowing at this point. If this was going to go on any longer I'd have to just switch to wearing jeans at work, two pairs of jeans will get you a long way.
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Yeah the laundry hamper is really overflowing at this point. If this was going to go on any longer I'd have to just switch to wearing jeans at work, two pairs of jeans will get you a long way.
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Infrastructure Services GM Michael Thompson says testing shows the water in the feeder main is safe to drink. The first set of pumps were turned on this morning. It requires 24 hours before turning on additional pumps to increase flow into the feeder main.
Thompson says final pumps will be turned on Friday if all goes well. He says restrictions could be lifted by the end of the week if the system is stable.
Thompson says 200M litres will flow through the pipe today, that will be increased to 225M litres tomorrow and then 285M litres on Friday and that's where they'd leave the capacity of the pipe.
Minister Dan Williams posted to social media on Wednesday a letter to Calgary city council exercising of Section 577 of the Municipal Government Act to direct the city, including administration, to provide his office with “all information and documentation related to general watermain [sic] infrastructure asset management practices, with a focus on those that could potentially impact the Bearspaw South Feeder Main.”
“Accountability and sustainability of the delivery of utilities in Alberta’s municipalities will be a key priority for the Government of Alberta going forward.”
Accountability really isnt a strong suit of this provincial government
They're hoping they can find something to use against Nenshi to try to keep their seats around Calgary. It's very transparent.
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