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moon · 10-07-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Choking would be what the Mets did a few years ago, losing game after game. Tigers played .500 or thereabouts all year, didn't really have any slumps. Twins went on a wild streak at the end winning 80% in September/October.

They lost their last three series of the season including 2 series (series) against the White Sox who had nothing to play for and a series against the Twins which would have sealed the deal.

In September they were swept by KC in one series and lost 2 other series to both KC and Toronto.

They may not have been as bad as the Mets were last year but that is some pretty terrible play and seems like a choke to me.

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Most thought this year would be a write-off for the Tigers. They did well to get that far.

I don't disagree that they did better than what people thought they would but that doesn't affect whether or not they choked.

GirlySports · 10-07-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

If you have a man on third with 0 outs a MLB team should score the run every time no matter who the opponent is. Hitting a ball to the outfield shouldn't be hard for two major leaguers to do.

Having the bases loaded and not scoring as well is something that needs to be done in that situation.

I think hitting a ball into the outfield is hard. Aren't most outs groundballs?
And Ordonez smoking a ball into a double play is pretty bad luck. Meanwhile the Twins win on a 13-bouncer for a base hit.

It's a cruel game.

valo403 · 10-07-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Choking would be what the Mets did a few years ago, losing game after game. Tigers played .500 or thereabouts all year, didn't really have any slumps. Twins went on a wild streak at the end winning 80% in September/October.

Being the first team in over 100 years to blow a 3 game lead with 4 to play isn't choking? Going 11-16 down the stretch to blow a 7 game lead isn't choking?

The Tigers did lose game after game, I was there to watch them do it. Swept by the Royals, dropping 3 of 4 to the White Sox when one more win clinches the division, and winning only one series in the last month of the season. The Tigers had game after game at the end of which they needed to win just one to clinch and they choked it away. This is the definition of choke.

BTW, preseason predictions don't mean a damn thing to the issue of whether this is a choke job. All that matters is this team had the division sewn up with a month to play and played so epically bad that they lost it.

If you don't think this is choking you're either way too nice or your definition of choking is incredibly skewed.

BTW, the 2007 Mets went 13-14 over their final 27 games, and 2-6 over their last 8. The 2009 Tigers went 11-16 over the last 27 and 3-5 over their last 8. Is that one loss difference over the last 8 really the difference between choking and not?

moon · 10-07-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think hitting a ball into the outfield is hard. Aren't most outs groundballs?
And Ordonez smoking a ball into a double play is pretty bad luck. Meanwhile the Twins win on a 13-bouncer for a base hit.

It's a cruel game.

If you are trying to get a sacrifice fly and just score the guy from 3rd I don't think it is that hard.

Trying to get a base hit is different than specifically just trying to make sure it gets to the outfield and not caring if it is caught or not.

I think that it depends on the pitcher as to the ground ball/fly ball outs. i.e different guys tend to have more of one than the other.

GirlySports · 10-07-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Being the first team in over 100 years to blow a 3 game lead with 4 to play isn't choking? Going 11-16 down the stretch to blow a 7 game lead isn't choking?

The Tigers did lose game after game, I was there to watch them do it. Swept by the Royals, dropping 3 of 4 to the White Sox when one more win clinches the division, and winning only one series in the last month of the season. The Tigers had game after game at the end to win just one and clinch and they choked it away. This is the definition of choke.

BTW, preseason predictions don't mean a damn thing to the issue of whether this is a choke job. All that matters is this team had the division sewn up with a month to play and played so epically bad that they lost it.

If you don't think this is choking you're either way too nice or your definition of choking is incredibly skewed.

BTW, the 2007 Mets went 13-14 over their final 27 games, and 2-6 over their last 8. The 2009 Tigers went 11-16 over the last 27 and 3-5 over their last 8. Is that one loss difference over the last 8 really the difference between choking and not?

I'm nice!

I just think the Tigers were consistantly mediocre all year and the Twins just got hot and caught them. Whereas I think the Mets were a much better team that buckled under pressure.

You watched more Tigers game than me so I'll have to take your word for it. However you must be happy with their season and hope for better things next year.

valo403 · 10-07-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

I'm nice!

I just think the Tigers were consistantly mediocre all year and the Twins just got hot and caught them. Whereas I think the Mets were a much better team that buckled under pressure.

You watched more Tigers game than me so I'll have to take your word for it. However you must be happy with their season and hope for better things next year.

Not happy at all, like Is aid the predictions mean nothing. This team had the division well within their grasp and they blew it, nothing to be happy about.

iggypop · 10-07-2009, 02:14 PM

Jimenez with a horrible inning, and Lee just keeps cruising along. This isn't looking good. Come on Rockies!

malcolmk14 · 10-07-2009, 02:17 PM

Jimenez needs to get out of there.

CrusaderPi · 10-07-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think hitting a ball into the outfield is hard.
It's a cruel game.

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Originally Posted by moon

If you are trying to get a sacrifice fly and just score the guy from 3rd I don't think it is that hard.

It's not hard. A runner on third with no outs should never be stranded. Every batting practice I had from the age of 12 onward included one bunt down each line, one ground ball to second base (for moving runners over) and one sac fly.

GirlySports · 10-07-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

It's not hard. A runner on third with no outs should never be stranded. Every batting practice I had from the age of 12 onward included one bunt down each line, one ground ball to second base (for moving runners over) and one sac fly.

So you never struck out or popped up trying to hit a fly ball in this situation?

I would agree in principle but it seems at the major league level they've gotten away from that. They're terrible at moving runners and situational hitting. Just ask anyone who's seen 162 Blue Jays games.

Good game in NY so far. I see that both Jeter and A-Rod are in their usual post-season form

Jiggy_12 · 10-07-2009, 07:50 PM

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So you never struck out or popped up trying to hit a fly ball in this situation?

I would agree in principle but it seems at the major league level they've gotten away from that. They're terrible at moving runners and situational hitting. Just ask anyone who's seen 162 Blue Jays games.

Good game in NY so far. I see that both Jeter and A-Rod are in their usual post-season form

I love bashing A-rod as much as anyone else, but what's this about Jeter?

That guy IS playoffs.

metallicat · 10-07-2009, 08:18 PM

Both Jeter and A-Rod had great games tonight. Pretty boring overall, but a good win by the Yanks.

GirlySports · 10-07-2009, 09:39 PM

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I love bashing A-rod as much as anyone else, but what's this about Jeter?

That guy IS playoffs.

You didnt understand.

Jiggy_12 · 10-07-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

You didnt understand.

I guess not. Care to explain?

CrusaderPi · 10-07-2009, 10:13 PM

The quote was:

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Good game in NY so far. I see that both Jeter and A-Rod are in their usual post-season form

Jeter was having a good game. A-Rod was invisible. Their usual post season form.

Jiggy_12 · 10-07-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

The quote was:

Jeter was having a good game. A-Rod was invisible. Their usual post season form.

A-rod was 2 for 4 with a run scored and 2 RBI's...

GirlySports · 10-07-2009, 10:36 PM

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A-rod was 2 for 4 with a run scored and 2 RBI's...

Not at 5:26 he wasn't.
Jokes don't really work 5 hours later, you had to be there

Jiggy_12 · 10-07-2009, 10:37 PM

Ah, sorry. I didn't see the time you posted, just read it after the game. Now I see.

CrusaderPi · 10-07-2009, 11:34 PM

I am stunned the longest 9 inning game in LDS history was tonight's 3 hour 52 minute game between the Dodgers and Cards. You'd think the A's, Angels, Sox, or Yankees would have that mark sewn up.

Also 30 runners LOB?! That's clutch.

JayP · 10-08-2009, 07:14 PM

Holliday with a brutal drop with 2 outs that would've finished the game.

The Dodgers respond to that with a walk and single and it's a 2-2 ball game with runners in scoring position.